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PostPosted: July 29th, 2017, 8:38 am 
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What about packs? I considered two items:
https://www.liveoutthere.com/osprey-tra ... l-bag.html on sale in a grey (maybe last year's model) for 109 Cannuck Bucks; and
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/North49-Wildwate ... SwT~9WmAm8 for 50 bucks.

I did not need the water proof feature. It was to finally replace my "Green Bin" that carried various and sundry items that did not need water proofing. It seemed to me $50 bucks for a canoe packs when in the store inspection of other acceptable canoe packs (not ones that looked like they would be rubbish after the first long portage) were closer to $400 bucks was too good to be true.

What do you think, knock off made to same design with cheaper parts, fewer stitches, etc. OR extras produced without permission at the same factory?

EDIT: I bought the Osprey, because of the warranty, not because I thought I would ever use the warranty, but because I believe they would not offer that warranty on a shoddy product.


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PostPosted: July 29th, 2017, 11:26 am 
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With most things you basically get what you pay for. Unless you the buyer gets stupid lucky or the seller gets stupid unlucky. Why rely on luck? But if you're like me sometimes you just can't afford luxury but are distrustful of knock-offs and dime store crap.
I own both, 1 Canadian Tire cheapo (Woods) tent and 1 nice MSR tent. Although they both perform the same basic shelter tasks they do that in very different ways. Mr Woods is extremely heavy (but solid!) and designed to be functionally basic and reliable. Mrs MSR on the other hand is svelte and sexy, really lightweight and the designs are truly sophisticated. The MSR R&D thought of freaking everything. Maybe that's why I paid double the price for half the size?! The 4 person Woods is a roomy cabin that has withstood 3 season storms; but the 14 pounds of portaging misery is what urged me to shop for the MSR, which is the size and weight of a big loaf of bread. It does only sleep 2 after all, but when I pack it away it nearly disappears!
At the end of the day I still say you get what you pay for, but you or I needn't agree what we're willing to pay for and get. Our spending pain threshold may differ, so too might our priorities. It's all cool. I hate seeing the gear junkie dealers waving all the latest and greatest stuff in my face trying to tempt me away from feeling frugal and sensible, but sometimes they're showing me a seriously sensible upgrade to my hair shirt shit. I love my state of the art headlamp, but also my canvas canoe pack. Pick your heroes, pick your villains.


Sort of agree although I am not a fan of MSR tents at all. The quality for the price isn't there, the few pounds in weight aren't worth it, and the designs are severely lacking in efficiency.

I agree that there are some cheap crappy tents that fall into the category of pay what you get...ie Escort tents. But on the same note I've paid over $700.00 for a tent and it was just a waste, just a horrible useless tent. So I hear you but you can't go wrong with Eureka for price and quality and efficiency.

I feel Marmot (Recpeds older Marmot is very nice) and Big Agnes are overrated. I'm a fan of eureka and nemo...although buying a eureka over a nemo you would be happy and save some coin.

I would be interested in trying out a North Face tent.


I have zero experience with Tundra tents.

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PostPosted: July 31st, 2017, 8:19 am 
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EDIT: I bought the Osprey, because of the warranty, not because I thought I would ever use the warranty, but because I believe they would not offer that warranty on a shoddy product.


My daughter had her pack replaced under the Osprey warranty, so that's one vendor I can attest to following through.

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PostPosted: August 4th, 2017, 11:22 am 
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One thing I don't skimp on is the tent and the sleeping bag!
Your life may depend on them if you're stuck for days in a storm and two weeks from civilization!
I used to use Crappy Tire an Egyptian cotton tents in Algonquin and they were fine in the "mild" climate there in the shoulder seasons, but once I started going far north they were NOT and option!

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PostPosted: August 4th, 2017, 12:45 pm 
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Marmot (2 tents, including replace 1 of those tents twice ater 6 and 4 years heavy use, Nemo, Eureka Big Agnes and Exped have given us excellent service over the years over warranty issues, our own booboob, and replacement parts.
Initial outlay has been big, but the end savings and pay off has been huge. We have been penny wise, and it has saved us pounds ($) if you will pardon a twist on the saying.

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PostPosted: August 4th, 2017, 2:16 pm 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aJwTynLPHU
this video shows the quality of the tent... and some customization that I would probably recommend. very well made video.

truth is if i was going on a more northern trip with more potential wind, yes i would invest in a more wind friendly tent, but for the average trip I would probably take this one and limit wear and tear on a more expensive tent.

Otter Mel why splurge on sleeping bag? I think a proper pad would be slightly more important then a sleeping bag.


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PostPosted: August 4th, 2017, 8:08 pm 
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Paddle enough in adventurous areas and you'll eventually confront your own or a friend's collapsed tent, leaking rain gear, poorly built canoe, cold sleeping bag, ill-fitting boots, wet personal gear, damaged cameras, etc. It's painful to watch and even worse when it's happening to you. Talk about uncomfortable and maybe even dangerous!

If comfort, safety, repairability, durability, and reliability matter, you'll eventually gravitate to quality brands with the right value equation for your needs. For me on my remote Nunavut trips, that's Hilleberg tents, Arc'teryx jackets, Ally or PakBoat canoes, Piragis canoe pants, Kokatat dry suits, real Muskol, Pelican cases, North Face fleece, merino wool underwear, etc.

Most are expensive compared to bargains. That's a fact of life. But quality needn't *always* cost the most so be informed and ask around. I love hacks and deals!

YMMV, of course.

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PostPosted: August 7th, 2017, 6:57 am 
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+1 for Hillebergs (besides, they are local to me).

Expensive, but I know that if I pitch it correctly I can pretty much ignore bad weather. Quality material, well tested designs... I have never heard anyone unhappy with a Hillebergs tent (ok, they may have chosen the wrong model, but that is a different kettle of fish).

Besides, when I manage to wear one out (floor, zippers, etc) they will renovate it for a reasonable sum.

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PostPosted: August 7th, 2017, 9:47 am 
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When it comes to gear, there is an old adage:

Good
Cheap
Light

Pick any two.


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PostPosted: August 7th, 2017, 12:27 pm 
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Algonquintripper wrote:
When it comes to gear, there is an old adage:

Good
Cheap
Light

Pick any two.


I think the china tent is all three of those...

here is a reddit post I found https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingandHiki ... big_agnes/

but I will say that I really like those Hilleberg tents. If i was in a position of needing a heavy duty tent, that would probably be the company I would go with.

how many of you would go out and buy a Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 Tent for a extreme northern trip? I really don't think any of you would, its not that type of tent....
so why keep comparing this china tent to those that are made for extreme conditions?

for the price this tent is unbeatable, it has a reasonable warranty as well. https://www.naturehike.co.nz/pages/warranty
for people who are not going to trip much, or to lend to a friend, or for those who are just starting out. this tent has everything they would need and it wont break the bank.
this tent is suitable for any conditions that the Fly Creek UL 2 would be suited for. you can't compare it to tents made for different conditions.


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PostPosted: August 8th, 2017, 11:09 am 
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"Otter Mel why splurge on sleeping bag? I think a proper pad would be slightly more important then a sleeping bag."


Sleeping bags are vital in a harsh and unforgiving conditions. Mine is down, good to -12C and I do have a Thermarest pad as well!

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PostPosted: August 8th, 2017, 11:48 am 
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Well Rawcardo, only time will tell. Report back and give us a review after 100 nights of use.


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PostPosted: August 17th, 2017, 10:08 am 
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Well I thought I would give an update about my Nemo tent. I sent it to the manufacture in Dover, NH and it got lost on the way.

I only insured it for $300 and a new one is $700 so I am SOL lol :o


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PostPosted: August 17th, 2017, 10:18 am 
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Oh man that sucks... any chance it might still turn up?


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PostPosted: August 20th, 2017, 11:37 am 
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I have this tent in the orange 210T fabric. Just returned from an Algonquin trip, it rained one night for 13 hours straight (I'd call it a medium rain, heavy at times). No issues with the tent. You can also buy them on gearbest.com. I bought mine last fall for about $60 CAD including shipping.


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