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PostPosted: August 25th, 2018, 9:21 am 
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OK I'm going to start a new thread just for the kayak in general and questions I have about it, or things I'm doing. There were questions in the other thread about the seat, so here is a video I took of it. I've also tagged Swift on this video on facebook to ask them if it is an original seat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JmJdsTbe2E

Here is the other thread about my hatches - I've just done something with silicone caulk on that front, and will report back in a few hours once I find out how it turned out :-)

http://www.myccr.com/phpbbforum/viewtop ... 49&t=46966


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PostPosted: August 25th, 2018, 10:13 am 
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Swift confirms what you all knew - not a factory seat. Now I've asked them whether a modern factory one might fit in this old timer :-) In any case I think it paddles fine, though I have nothing to compare it to since I've never paddled a kayak before this. Yesterday there was a kayak seat for sale on kijiji but I missed it. It was like a tractor seat but pretty deep looking almost like the moulded seats you put toddlers into like a high chair seat. It was yellow. I googled a fair bit and cannot find anything that looks like it. I checked a few outfitter websites and don't see anything like it.

Not sure what I should look to replace it with. If anything at all.


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PostPosted: August 25th, 2018, 2:17 pm 
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Its hard to find replacement kayak seats.. You need a backband. Not a high backrest. Foam seat bottoms are the best and you carve to your liking..
You may have seen a seat for a sea canoe.. Unknowing think its a kayak.. Its not It is designed for you to sit pretty high.

Kayak seats on the bottom are not tractor seats.

Here are some backbands.. You say why do you need them? Cause you wear a kayak like pants. Just as you need footpegs you need something to support your lower back in the frog seated position.

https://www.rutabaga.com/kayak-outfitti ... backs-pads


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PostPosted: August 25th, 2018, 6:51 pm 
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OK here is what I did for the hatch covers - I think it should work well but we'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUGRpIx4Nkg


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PostPosted: August 25th, 2018, 7:14 pm 
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Prospector16 wrote:
OK here is what I did for the hatch covers - I think it should work well but we'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUGRpIx4Nkg



Long term both the shock cord and the epoxy will degrade with UV exposure, my experience is 2 Ontario summers is the limit for the shock cord (but its cheap and easy) so I replaced it regularly on the sailboat. Epoxy I've seen start to go after 1 summer outdoors.

There are hooks that are available to put on the ends of the shock cord that could be useful, they clip on and outlasted the shock cord.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 8:09 am 
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Since silicone does peel off ( its used to seal bulkheads and with time they peel off) I wish you luck.. I think weatherstripping would work better.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 11:01 am 
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If it peels off it will still be fine - i should then have a removable fitted gasket. It should still work fine. In any case we'll see how it goes. I could also epoxy it back on if it peels off.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 11:28 am 
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Prospector16 wrote:
If it peels off it will still be fine - i should then have a removable fitted gasket. It should still work fine. In any case we'll see how it goes. I could also epoxy it back on if it peels off.


My experience with silicone (and all I've read) says that once you use it, getting anything else to adhere to the surfaces is extremely difficult. I hate to use it in the bathroom for anything that I might ever have to rework, and it is simply not permitted on the sailboat at all. I got a silicone residue remover for the bathroom where silicone caulk had been used and even then physical removal of the surface it was on was required.

Silicone products work well once, having said that, as long as you can keep it in place somewhat then the pressure of the lid may be enough to seal.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 12:02 pm 
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littleredcanoe wrote:
Kayak seats on the bottom are not tractor seats.

Here are some backbands.. You say why do you need them? Cause you wear a kayak like pants. Just as you need footpegs you need something to support your lower back in the frog seated position.


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Long term both the shock cord and the epoxy will degrade with UV exposure, my experience is 2 Ontario summers is the limit for the shock cord (but its cheap and easy) so I replaced it regularly on the sailboat.

There are hooks that are available to put on the ends of the shock cord that could be useful, they clip on and outlasted the shock cord.


My description of typical kayak seats as “tractor seats” was inadequate. I meant mostly to convey they the seats are usually molded plastic or glass with some ass cheek shape. A couple photos grabbed off the web:

https://www.cdkayak.com/Category.aspx?cat=12

https://www.google.com/search?q=kayak+s ... 1Qx0xaWZyM:

My replacement seat preference would be to carve something out of miniel, like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=kayak+s ... 2tboZR51_M:

There are lots of good how-to videos on carving a custom minicel seat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NpDpjbpeI0

Good quality shock cord will last longer than a season or two, at least on a kayak deck where it is not in constant UV exposure. I just replaced deck bungee on two kayaks that was at least 5 years old, but even before it starts to fall apart it will stretch out and not provide much downward force or tension on the hatch covers.

Bungee cord end clips are easy to install, and come in both open and closed clip styles

http://topkayaker.com/index.php?main_pa ... cts_id=360

My preference for securing the hatch covers tightly compressed against a gasket would be to use grommet straps pop riveted or bolted into either side of the deck with 1” webbing and tri-glides to pull the hatch tightly against the gasket.

http://topkayaker.com/index.php?main_pa ... cts_id=898

With the grommet straps, maybe just install a whole hatch cover strap kit

http://topkayaker.com/index.php?main_pa ... ts_id=1112
(See hatch repair videos at the bottom of that link)

An adjustable back band, made for sea kayaks, has advantages over the fixed padding currently in your Caspian Sea. The adjustability allows the back band to fit different sized and shaped people in an ergonomically correct location, not simply one size fits all spine jammed against the back of the cockpit.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 12:16 pm 
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Yeah I saw those bungee clips at MEC but the latch was really cheap so I did not go that route.

We'll see how the bungees work. A friend pointed out that more modern kayaks use straps over the hatches so if this does not work so well I may outfit it with a strap kit. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for all the ideas folks.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 1:23 pm 
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Mike McCrea wrote:

Good quality shock cord will last longer than a season or two, at least on a kayak deck where it is not in constant UV exposure.


Being on the deck the shock cord got the full sun pretty much all day, May through October. I could have detached them between outings but for the 2m I needed it was less trouble to simply replace every two years :D

Having the drifter go over the side while underway gets messy.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 2:05 pm 
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Well this kayak is 25+ years old and it appears to have the original shock cord on the decks, and it appears to still be in very good shape.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 3:23 pm 
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A valuable one-stop resource for DIY kayak outfitting How-To’s is the Chesapeake Light Craft Shop Tips section

https://www.clcboats.com/shoptips/fitting_out/

There are how to illustrations in that Fitting Out section on preferred bungee knots, deck fittings, grab handles, knee braces and seats. Mostly DIY stuff for stitch & glue kayak kits, which translates well into repairs and refurbishing.

Maybe read through some of those CLC tips and think about what you want to do after the trip to bring the Caspian Sea up to snuff.

When is the trip? I am looking forward to reading a follow-up trip and gear report.


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PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 4:37 pm 
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Cool - thanks. Trip is this weekend.


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PostPosted: August 27th, 2018, 5:12 pm 
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If I don't have a cockpit cover is that going to be an issue transporting it on the highway on top of my truck rightside up?


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