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PostPosted: January 13th, 2010, 7:58 pm 
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Will ecoterrorism be the next big thing?

I have been thinking about it with all the news from Alberta about the bombing of the gas lines and sour gas wells. It seems to me that views on some issues, such as human caused global climate change, are becoming so polarized that certain kinds of people might start to think terrorism is justified. What greater motivation can there be for people than thinking they are saving the earth?

I predict that we will see a great deal more of this type of thing. It will begin with actions like we are seeing out west, with the bombing or otherwise sabotaging of pipelines, oil wells, coal plants and the like. Inevitably there will be casualties, but of course the terrorists will have a ready justification, as they are saving the world.

I hasten to add that of course I am not advocating this type of action. But people seem to be becoming so radicalized, so unwilling to even listen to other views or consider compromises. Moreover, views are becoming entrenched in political philosophies. For example I keep hearing people who have environmentalist views being described as "left wing" or "socialists". How does that follow? This means that such views are becoming more like faiths, like religions, or nationalism, that are immune to reason or argument.

So, I predict that in the next decade we will see a rise in ecoterrorism, in our country and worldwide. I am curious to see if others see this developing.

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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 13th, 2010, 8:21 pm 
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Been going on for years. The RCMP foiled an attempt to blow up a seal oil factory near my home town back in the 80's. Guy drove up from the USA to do it. Funded by a famous group whom I won't name as I can't find any info online to the story.

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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 14th, 2010, 9:34 am 
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ELF evolved out of Earth First!, an ardent environmentalist group founded, in its own words, "in response to a lethargic, compromising, and increasingly corporate environmental community." Dave Foreman, a former lobbyist for the Wilderness Society, and several other activists influenced by more militant organizations, founded Earth First! around 1980.



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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 14th, 2010, 10:57 am 
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JMHO, but I'm not any more concerned about ecoterrorism than I am by anti-abortion terrorism, white supremacist terrorism, anti-UN terrorism, anti-WASP terrorism, Quebec separatist terrorism or anti-corporate terrorism. There all kinds of groups with strong beliefs out there, and in most them there will be a few loonies who decide to go beyond waving signs and writing letters to the editor. In a few cases (Tim McVeigh and the Oklahoma federal building is probably the worst "recent" case), they'll get organized enough to do real damage.

Law enforcement ought to take them seriously, but the crime is the act committed (arson, bombing, vandalism, etc.) not the belief that motivated it. And there is a huge difference between dumping blood on a fur coat or spray painting a new development and bombing or torching a building full of innocent people.

And I think all of the above pale in comparison to organized terrorism on the scale that Al Queda and similar groups are involved with. That, I worry about.


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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 14th, 2010, 11:35 am 
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You should worry about ecoterrorism. A possibility is in the news here in Maine today.

A Yemeni tanker of LNG is due in Boston next month. Boston doesnt seem to want it.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massac ... n_tankers/


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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 14th, 2010, 12:52 pm 
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Kim:How is a Yemeni LNG carrier related to ecoterrorism?  As I said in my post, I am worried about terrorism in general, although I am in no position to judge whether this particular ship is of concern.I'm a lot more concerned about anti-American or anti-Western terrorists on that tanker than I am about Earth First or ELF being on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 15th, 2010, 12:41 pm 
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I would think that the backlash to ecoterrorism would be so damaging to the environmental movement that any rational environmentalist would stay way clear of it. Besides they often accuse the people that they are opposing as being eco terrorists.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see an increase in civil disobedience related to environmental issues. How long before activists start laying down in front of those big trucks in the oilsands or some other similiar action?

Terrorist ranks are usually comprised against people who have a grudge against their targets whom they blame for the negatives of their own or their communities lives.
I myself have never met an environmentalist with that mindset.

Personally the idea of ecoterrorism isn't keeping me awake at night.

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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 15th, 2010, 12:51 pm 
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tgneal wrote:
However, I wouldn't be surprised to see an increase in civil disobedience related to environmental issues. How long before activists start laying down in front of those big trucks in the oilsands or some other similiar action?


September 2009:

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A group of Greenpeace activists chained themselves to a three-storey dump truck and surrounded it with pickup trucks at Shell's Albian Sands mine about 80 kilometres north of Fort McMurray, Alta., Tuesday morning.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... otest.html

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... -ends.html



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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 15th, 2010, 2:02 pm 
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tgneal wrote:
I would think that the backlash to ecoterrorism would be so damaging to the environmental movement that any rational environmentalist would stay way clear of it.


One would think. But then again, think how the act of extreme right wing anti-abortionists bombing clinics gets nods, winks smug approval and a muted acceptance from otherwise sane conservatives that feel strongly about the abortion issue. The reality is that even people who would never be involved in an act of violence somehow rationalize or even condone a violent action associated a cause they align with. This is a really funky part of the human conscience, that "well it's not OK, but for this cause I'll accept it, or it's justified"

I'd agree though that if the environmental movement continues to grow there may well be more ecoterrorism. But I suspect that other forms of terrorism and even more likely just general crime will be a much bigger hazard to the US culture than eco-terrorism.

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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 15th, 2010, 4:04 pm 
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Laying down in front of a bulldozer is not terrorism. Neither is chaining yourself to a tree (or chaining yourself to the entrance of an abortion clinic or a military recruiting station).

Blowing up or setting fire to any of the above is terrorism.

Thoreau, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr and others were not terrorists. They certainly believed in and practiced civil disobedience, but there is a clear line between that and terrorism, and when we blur that line, we do ourselves a grave disservice.

I don't want our anti-terrorism efforts wasted on the kind of people who commit principled acts of non-violent civil disobedience, or the ones who commit senseless acts of pointed vandalism. I want them focused on the people who are out to injure, kill, and maim. Regardless of their politics, those kinds of people need to be stopped.


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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 15th, 2010, 5:25 pm 
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In my opinion, people who murder doctors/employees of abortion clinics ARE terrorists.

So are people who murder innocent people, like children in a daycare centre, who happen to be in the building of a department of the government they have issues with.

Home-grown terrorists...fellow citizens....maybe your neighbour....that's pretty damned scary to me.

Back to the original topic:

Blowing up gas pipelines....would that be "civil disobedience" or "terrorism"?

6th bomb at B.C. pipeline causes gas leak

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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 15th, 2010, 9:44 pm 
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The anarchist group Direct Action from the 1980s went after a lot of things including polluters. Got their money from armed robbery.
Again in the 1980s and 1990s an animal rights group vandalized and set fire to several research laboratories and mailed death threats, razor blades and rat poison to fur retailers and hunting guides. Eco-terrorists destroyed a million dollar logging bridge and did about 5 million in damage to some logging outfit in Alberta.

At the time, it was all a big deal and all over the news. But none of this caused any backlash or spawned other radical/terrorist groups. Wasn't long before it was all old history.

And lastly, does anybody but me even remember these events?

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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 16th, 2010, 10:27 am 
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Barbara,

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Back to the original topic:

Blowing up gas pipelines....would that be "civil disobedience" or "terrorism"?


According to Wikipedia, the proper term is ecotage (eco- combined with sabotage).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotage

Edward Abbey's " The Monkeywrench Gang" is a great read about a group of fictional eco-saboteurs with some humor added, pulling up road survey stakes, poisoning bulldozers with molasses in the fuel, disabling roadbuilding machinery, etc.

Edward Abbey quote:

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Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum floats to the top.



Another is...

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Keep America Beautiful...Burn a Billboard


I've been waiting for this to happen to the highway sign outside Toronto International Airport...

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Algonquin Park
300 kilometers


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 Post subject: Re: Ecoterrorism
PostPosted: January 16th, 2010, 10:56 am 
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Another example of ecoterrorism, or perhaps ecotage(?) are the past and present activities of Sea Shepherd, headed by Canadian Paul Watson.

This group has been involved in the sinking of several whaling ships in Norway and Iceland. If you go to Reykjavik you will see 4 old black whalers in the harbour: two of them were sunk by activists at the dock in the 1980's. The other 2 have been put back into service and are now hunting fin whales after sitting at the dock for 20 years.

Sea Shepherd is also involved in disrupting the Japanese whale hunts in the Southern Ocean. Recently one of their boats collided with a whaler (was rammed by? allowed itself to be hit? rammed? Depends who you ask...) and was destroyed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkyDFSBbo8
(several versions of this are available)

But really I was thinking of bigger things. I think there is going to be a response by some global warming activists at some point, now that they have lost all hope of global action. An ironic problem they face is that almost every single action I can think of that they might take (e.g. blowing up pipelines, ships, oil wells) actually releases large quantities of carbon into the atmosphere!

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