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 Post subject: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 6:07 pm 
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I thought off topic would be better for this.... 8)
I was thinking I should go outside the country and announce this... :roll:
Heaven knows (gee I think I just crossed to the religious side of this... :oops: )
I would not want anyone in my home country to be able to ask me about this.. :evil:
Well it's winter and I have to do something to stir the pot.. :thumbup:
(big foot interest has died out.... :doh: )
So from my secret lair...

WANTED!
Enemy of
Canada!


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Represented Canada with honour for 10 years as an amateur athlete, mostly with the help of friends and family.
Volunteered thousands of hours for various Provincial and local sport organizations.
Has been a local volunteer “Santa“ helper collecting children’s letters since 1987
Is a proud Union member!
Has written Government and contacted hundreds of individuals and groups over concerns over Canada’s Minor waters and canoe registration issues.
Believes that we should manage our natural resources so that future generations have enough.
Believes in protecting and preserving more of Canada’s remaining wild places so other species can also survive.
Has been working since I was a teenager and wants to receive pension benefits at 65 and be a “burden” to Canadian society.
This man and other individuals like him are a risk to Canadian society!

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Jeff

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 Post subject: Re: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 7:28 pm 
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I really have no idea what point you are trying to make unless you are voicing your concern over some of changes being bantered about to address the predicted underfunding of the Canada Pension by 2035. I hope you would at least agree that something has to be done.


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 Post subject: Re: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 8:39 pm 
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Oh I would agree that...
But to announce it overseas is well... not brave.
I am also saying how the way MR. Harper has branded anyone who cares about the environment is against Canada.
I am registered receive notice on a variety of Parliamentary committee meetings, (to name a few)
environment and transportation (minor waters concerns) and there has been nothing up front since the input day last March 18. 2011.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/oe ... u-2983.htm
All groups where told to watch this page also for "updates" because that is how we would know.
I hoped you watched the speech overseas, (i did) the look of the person on stage with Mr. Harper seemed to show just a "little" shock.
But I read one financial analyst (can't find the link) but said there is a year 2020) that when most of us boomers have died off it will balance itself off.
But my rant is more that if anyone that stands up against what Mr. Harper wants is Anti Canadian and trying to hurt the rest of Canada.
We are seeing a turn to U.S. style of politics.
But in the end the little guys get hurt.
And in the paddle world less and less access to our special wild places.
Just ask those in fighting for preservation of their favourite wild areas.
What are your feelings on Jasper National Park being partially privatized...?
http://www.avaaz.org/en/jasper_development/?rc=fb&pv=26
Lots of examples out there.

JF what was the last area you put your name down?joined to try and Save?
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 Post subject: Re: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 9:02 pm 
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found it, not a financial guy just a reporter..
but I got the year right..... (at least the start)
Baby boomer mental facilities diminishing... 8)

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True, the government predicts that the cost of pensions for the elderly, now about $35.6 billion, will triple by 2030. That sounds dire. In fact it means that the pension bill will grow by about 5.6 per cent a year during the period

And when baby boomers start to die off, as they will from about 2020, spending on the elderly will start to decelerate on its own.


Link to story
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... nnecessary

Me I would just like to hear honest (that will be tough)
open.. (that's a tougher one)
Debate
With facts and figures.
Not throwing trial balloons out half a world away....
I can be swayed with facts and reason,
I can handle the truth.....
But to say that I am against Canada with what I do whether it would be work ..
(oh damn I 'm that union guy... :evil: )
Or because I did not support Canoe registration or how minor waters rules where being written.. is a bit of stretch of being Anti "C"
Show me the facts and make the rules fair across the board equal for everyone....
(that seems to be hard too!)
Jeff

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 Post subject: Re: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 12:10 am 
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I'm sorry JJ. I guess I am not qualified to ask for clarification if I haven't I put my name down for any place to save recently. Seems like Mr. Harper isn't the only one with a big brush.


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 Post subject: Re: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 8:36 am 
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I completely agree that putting up this little bombshell thousands of miles from home tells us that Harper knows that if he pisses-off the largest demographic there is, his re-election chances will go down the crapper.

If he wants a scrap, I suggest he might well have picked the wrong group....we have gone into the streets and "to the barricades" before (speaking for those who became adults during the 60's...), and I have NO doubt that none of us has forgotten how, or lost the will for a scrap, if we get pushed that far.

For my part, I played by the rules and paid all the amounts (usualy the 'maximum contribution' ) that my goverment asked from me for over 40 years. If they had asked for more, I would have paid it, but they didn't.

And now, Harper wants to change the rules??? Millions of us acted in complete good faith over the many years, in the full expectation that our OAP and CPP were being prudently managed by those in whom we placed our trust.

Harper's allergy to the "debit" column is NOT my problem. A deal is a deal, and he ain't gonna find any wiggle-room here. Mark my words. :evil:

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PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 9:28 am 
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We all have played by the rules, or most of us have. But regardless of who makes any proposal or where it is made from, can't we all agree that something has to change? The current system will not support itself. There has been some talk that any reductions would be pro-rated, so the hit on somebody 55-60 years of age would only be negligible, if at all. And the people being hit the hardest would be those just entering the work force. Would you still be opposed to change if the hit to you wasn't so bad? Many politicians have faced this problem and caved - at least this guy is taking some action.


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 Post subject: Re: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 9:50 am 
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JF wrote:
Would you still be opposed to change if the hit to you wasn't so bad? ....


My point is that there should be NO "hit" whatsoever. That was never part of the deal - never. If Harper wants to mess about and tinker on the margins by making contribution and/or benefit adjustments for anyone NOT currently part of the existing plan, I guess that will be up to those folks as to whether or not they want to 'buy in' to such a scheme, but, NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH will I sit still for any monkeying with existing contributions/benefits for those who have participated thus far. It will cost what it costs. I have (quite willingly, I must add) among other things, paid for the next 2 or 3 generations' schooling, universities, playgrounds, family allowances, etc etc, (despite remaining childless myself). Enough is enough.

I WILL NOT now be told that I must go on and on until I just die 'in harness' so that Harper can balance his precious books.

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 Post subject: Re: Wanted enemy of Canada!
PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 12:04 pm 
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I'm sorry JJ. I guess I am not qualified to ask for clarification if I haven't I put my name down for any place to save recently. Seems like Mr. Harper isn't the only one with a big brush.

But I did not call you anti Canadian, the liberals and NDP did not call you anti Canadian.
People like me have!
And just because you have not signed up for volunteer work/cause does not make you Anti Canadian either.
There was no intelligent debate to help me change my mind,
Just name calling and using hate as a threat that people like me are going to destroy this country.
And that is the point of my rant.
Watch the video of his speech (the one provided by the news services) and tell me that man was not blindsided by this speech.
Judging by the vacant chair and microphone between the 2 seats it looked like it was supposed to be something else that transpired.
But I would like to hear your opinion on the Jasper National Park issue.
I would one would hate to see it because it would open the flood gates to our other National Parks.
Jeff

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PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 8:47 pm 
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Unfortunately Harper's bought into the "American Dream". :x



I miss hearing more of George Carlin's sarcasm on the human condition. :(

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PostPosted: January 30th, 2012, 10:37 am 
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Good for you. Yours is a stand that will become more difficult to take in the future under this government that labels more and more of us as Enemies of Canada, if we don't agree with their "policies".
I came out as "An Enemy of Canada" on the CBC web site in my comments on HIS pronouncements. If that is what I have to be, then that is what I have to be.
Stir the pot!


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PostPosted: January 30th, 2012, 10:56 am 
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Thanks for the video, Splashdancer!
Is this where we are headed? Too bad there aren't more people thinking about the long-term direction. We can't afford pensions but we can afford record profits for corporations and record compensation for CEOs??? We can't afford pensions but we can afford to build prisons to accommodate more prisoners who are part of the "increase in unreported crime"???
If we don't give the wealthy exactly what they want they'll take their ball and go home - wherever their home is.
Divide the masses by labeling, discounting and marginalizing any dissenting voices.
Follow the Republican model.
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PostPosted: January 30th, 2012, 11:01 am 
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Interesting thread.

I was intrigued by the Jasper Park privatization issue. My short answer is don't do it.

As a US citizen I see that as a slippery slope. We in the US have turned far to many of our parks into what amount to as "amusement parks" that require highly intensive infrastructure which many American's can't afford to visit. Visit the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone to see what concessioneering operations to Xanterra has amounted too. Only the physical effort required to enter the remote parts of these parks has allowed my generation to enjoy the spectacle of these parks. But beyond that, the US parks are becoming a accessible only to those who are single with no debt, or those professionals capable of ponying up $1000/week for a motorhome and another $100 a day for gas.

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PostPosted: January 30th, 2012, 11:17 am 
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Here's an advocacy group taking the fight to those who need it 8)
http://www.leadnow.ca/

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