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PostPosted: February 19th, 2008, 3:23 pm 
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Has anybody paddled the Romaine River? I am looking mainly for description of rapids and portages to assess difficulty. Thanks.


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The FQCK has maps for this river. I have a copy from when I was planning for this trip, however I decided to do the Moisie again instead. Need an affinity for portaging for the Romaine from what I saw. Most of the rapids are R4/R5.... too much for a loaded tripping boat. There are a few trip reports on the internet.


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Trip report included here:
http://www.yccc.ca/node/7281#attachments

if you cant get access I can pull the report out for you or put you in contact with authors

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There is an interesting article with great pictures in the Spring 2006 edition of Canoeroots about a trip on the Romaine by editor Ian Merringer. It is available on line. page 44 of the Spring 2006 issue, in case this link doesn't work out.

http://www.rapidmedia.com/index.php?opt ... Itemid=760

Happy reading.

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I'm about to submit (to Routes) Stewart Coffin's Romaine River trip report from 1980. It looks like rather a difficult river.
The latest I've heard about the 4 dams proposed for the Romaine is from October 6, 2004.
I note however that the Hydro Qu'ebec web site says that construction is scheduled to start in mid 2009. with completion in 2020. The river would be flooded from nearly the mouth to almost the Labrador border.
Does anyone know whether the project has been approved?
Yours in paddling, Allan

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Hydro Quebec's dams have not yet been approved, they are currently going through the environmental impact assessment process. If approved construction could begin as early as 2009.

For more information about the hydroelectric project (and ways to oppose the construction) visit www.allianceromaine.org

There is an expedition team from the Romaine River Alliance that will be paddling the river this summer. I have paddled the river in the past and will be joining this team. See the invite in the paddlers wanted forum.


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 Post subject: Re: Romaine River
PostPosted: October 8th, 2008, 9:44 pm 
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Here's the latest from Fran, first the message, then the form letter.
If you would like a copy of her message to me (which is more presentable), please email me at routes@myccr.com
Yours in paddling, Allan

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Hello,

Please take a moment to help the Romaine River by sending a letter to the Minister of Sustainable Development, the Environment and Parks in Quebec. Currently, the public audiences, which provide an opportunity for people to comment and ask questions regarding Hydro Quebec's plans to build four dams on the Romaine River, will only be held in Havre St Pierre. As a result, few opponents to the project and few journalists will be present at the public audiences.

We are asking that the public be able to participate via video
conferencing in Montreal and Quebec city. We need to show the Minister that there is enough interest regarding this project outside of Havre St Pierre. Please take a moment to download the letter attached, type in your signature and email it (romaine@bape.gouv.qc.ca) or mail it to the Ministry. This is
incredibly important. If we can not be present in large numbers at these meetings, the ministry will conclude that there is no opposition. THERE IS AN OPPOSITION!

The letter attached is written in French. For those of you who do not speak French, the letter reminds the Minister that a project of this scale effects people beyond Havre St Pierre. Additionally, under provincial law, people have a right to participate in public audiences. By conducting the meetings in a remote area, the Ministry is limiting people's opportunity to participate.

The meetings are scheduled to start on October 27th, please do not delay, send this letter today!

Thank you for participating in our efforts to prevent the damming of the Romaine River, one of Quebec's last untouched rivers.


Sincerely,

Fran Bristow
Alliance Romaine
fran@allianceromaine.org


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Octobre 2008

Madame Line Beauchamp,
Ministre du Développement durable, de l’Environnement et des Parcs,
Édifice Marie-Guyart, 30e étage
675, boulevard René-Lévesque Est
Québec, Québec
G1R 5V7


OBJET : DEMANDE D’ACCÈS INTERACTIF À PARTIR DE MONTRÉAL ET QUÉBEC À L’AUDIENCE PUBLIQUE CONCERNANT LE PROJET D’AMÉNAGEMENT HYDROÉLECTRIQUE DE LA ROMAINE.


Madame la Ministre,


Votre gouvernement a déposé un projet de loi qui reconnaît l’eau comme un patrimoine collectif de la nation québécoise. L’eau de la Romaine ne fait pas exception et c’est à la population du Québec qu’il appartient de décider de son avenir et de sa protection, non à quelques représentants de groupes d’intérêts locaux, aussi bien intentionnés soient-ils. Nous voulons donc que le plus grand nombre possible de résidents du Québec puissent y participer. Les audiences se tenant exclusivement à Havre-St-Pierre, la distance, les coûts et le temps nécessaires pour s’y rendre constituent d’importants freins à la participation. En ce moment, le BAPE offre pour la période de question une Web diffusion en mode audio seulement qui empêche d’avoir une véritable participation publique. En conséquence, nous demandons, par le biais de vidéoconférences ou tout autre moyen technique, d’avoir la possibilité d’interagir directement pendant la période de questions et celle d’expression des opinions. Nous vous rappelons que la participation publique est un principe fondamental qui apparaît à la Loi sur développement durable et qui doit guider l’administration de l’État. Nous comptons donc sur vous pour prendre les moyens favorisant cette participation. Ces audiences devant débuter le 27 octobre 2008, nous vous demandons d’agir avec diligence.


En vous remerciant,

VOTRE NOM OU ORGANISME

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 Post subject: Re: Romaine River
PostPosted: November 17th, 2008, 5:51 pm 
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Hello Friends,

First and foremost, I would like to welcome you to Alliance Romaine's mailing list! Through the email list we will be able to keep you up to date on the campaign to protect the Romaine River.

I would like to take a brief moment to describe what Alliance Romaine has been doing for the last little while. If you already know, please skip ahead to the next paragraph! Thanks to support from friends, family and businesses, our summer decent of the Romaine River was a great success. You can read more about the expedition on our website (http://www.allianceromaine.org). Upon our return we have been sharing stories and photos of our journey throughout Montreal. Through these presentations, the strength of Alliance Romaine is growing!

Currently, we are working hard reviewing the environmental impact assessment and participating in the public audience proceedings. Because the Romaine River hydroelectric complex is such a big project, it has to undergo a federal environmental impact assessment. Unfortunately, Hydro Quebec is in charge of conducting their own impact assessment, and as a result it is not a thorough review. We have the opportunity to review Hydro Quebec's assessment and provide a critique. Once we have reviewed the impact assessment (which is over 1000 pages long), we present our criticism to the "Bureau des Audiences Publiques sur l'Environnement" (BAPE). We will present our document on November 26th.

And here is where we ask for your help! Up to now, the review process has only allowed for science, science and science! And while science is interesting... there is no chance for emotion. We have to say "The Romaine River should not be dammed because there will be adverse affects on benthic populations in the estuary." We can't say "The Romaine River should not be dammed because it is beautiful and wild and free." That is what we want to include in the document that we will present. We would like you to write or draw something that expresses how you FEEL about the Romaine River, what it means to have a free-flowing river, what it means to have wild places. Write whatever you want. Write it up, jot it down and send it to us. You can email it to us, you can mail it... you can call us and we will take notes! Please get it to us before Nov 24th.

To send in your thoughts:
email to info@allianceromaine.org
mail to Alliance Romaine, 4065 Oxford St, Montreal, QC, H4A 2Y5
or call us at 514 486-9857

You will also find copies of our petition attached. Please feel free to print them off (in English or French), gather some signatures and mail them back to us.

Thank you so much for your ongoing support.

Sincerely,
Fran Bristow
Coordinator
Alliance Romaine


If you do not want to receive anymore emails from Alliance Romaine, please send us an email with "remove me from the mailing list" as the subject and we will do just that.

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This blessed sotware won't let me attach doc files.
So here's the petition in English, then in French.


PETITION
To oppose the construction of the Romaine River hydroelectric complex

To the National Assembly of Québec,
To the House of Commons,

CONSIDERING THAT :

1. the construction of the hydroelectric complex on the Romaine River is an unsustainable project. It is costly, destructive and unnecessary. Viable alternatives exist.

2. hydroelectricity is not the clean energy we used to think it was. The construction of dams has detrimental impacts on the environment; it causes mercury contamination, emits greenhouse gases and alters entire ecosystems.

3. it is essential that Quebec’s political authorities support and commit to a sincere long-term vision focusing on the Earth and its people rather than over-consumption and profit.

4. a rigorous energy conservation plan must be set as well as a plan to develop clean and renewable energies such as wind, solar and geothermal. Investment in renewable and clean energy must be transparent.

5. while the international community is pledging to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, it is unacceptable that we continue to destroy rivers by damming them.

It is why the undersigned demand that the National Assembly completely cancel the construction of the hydroelectric complex on the Romaine River.

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For more information: allianceromaine.org
Please return the signed petitions to Alliance Romaine; 4065 Oxford St., Montreal QC H4A 2Y5


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PÉTITION
Pour s’opposer à la construction du complexe hydroélectrique sur la Rivière Romaine

À l’Assemblée nationale du Québec,
À la Chambre des Communes,

CONSIDÉRANT QUE :

1. la construction du complexe hydroélectrique sur la rivière Romaine n’est pas un projet durable : il est coûteux, destructeur et loin d'être nécessaire. Optons plutôt pour les alternatives viables déjà existantes.

2. l'hydroélectricité n'est pas l’énergie propre comme nous le pensions auparavant. La construction de barrages a de lourds impacts écologiques tels que la contamination par le mercure, l’émission de gaz à effet de serre et la fragmentation des écosystèmes.

3. il est indispensable que les autorités politiques du Québec soutiennent et osent s’engager dans une vision sincère et à long terme, qui rend le bien-être de la Terre et de sa population la priorité plutôt que la surconsommation et le profit.

4. un plan rigoureux de conservation de l’énergie doit être mis en place ainsi qu’un plan de développement des énergies propres et renouvelables telles l’éolien, le solaire et le géothermique. L’investissement dans les énergies renouvelables et propres doit se faire de façon transparente.

5. alors que la communauté internationale s’engage à réduire les émissions de gaz à effet de serre, il est inacceptable que nous continuions d’harnacher et de détruire nos rivières.

C'est pourquoi les soussignés(es) demandent à l'Assemblée nationale de bien vouloir annuler complètement la construction du complexe hydroélectrique sur la Rivière Romaine.

Nom (en lettres moulées) Adresse (rue, ville, code postal) Signature
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Pour plus d’information: allianceromaine.org
Veuillez retourner les pétitions signées à Alliance Romaine; 4065 Oxford, Montréal Qc. H4A 2Y5

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 Post subject: Re: Romaine River
PostPosted: November 17th, 2008, 5:56 pm 
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In response to the original post.
I have posted Stewart Coffin's Romaine report in Routes:
http://www.myccr.com/canoedb/routeDetai ... outeid=813

For WCA members, it is published also in a recent issue of Nastwagan.

Yours in paddling, Allan

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 Post subject: Re: Romaine River
PostPosted: November 18th, 2008, 9:51 am 
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You can view the Canoeroots story here:

While the River is Wild: The untamed waters of the Romaine River surge for 300 kilometers through untouched wilderness. It's one of the toughest and most beautiful river trips in the East … it may soon become a power plant.


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 Post subject: Re: Romaine River
PostPosted: November 18th, 2008, 10:24 am 
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not sure where to post but am taking Alan's lead....move as appropriate
The Romaine Hydroelectric Complex project is some 300 some odd km or more of river destruction as we know it. The project actually consists of 2 EAs Rivere Olomane 05-01-15-181 and Romaine 04-05-2613
The acts that are triggering the EA also have reference numbers from which you can monitor the progress through those departments and committees;
Reference Number of Fisheries and Oceans Canada 03HQUELZ3000000181
Here is the listing for the assessment:
http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/Viewer_e ... ForceNOC=Y
it lists the sections of the acts that have triggered an EA (how lovely that the NWPA is being toyed with; will make this easier in the future n’est pas? After all MMER proves that the fisheries act can be neutered, but that’s only my opinion)

the contact for the Quebec wing of this is:
DFO - CEA Registry Office - Quebec Region
P.O. Box 1000
850 Route de la mer
Mont-Joli QC G5H 3Z4
Telephone: 418-775-0584
Email: RCEE-QUEBEC@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

and refer to CEAR reference number 04-03-2613

the federal government counterpart is
http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/Viewer_e ... AR_ID=2613
Maryse Pineau
Panel Manager
Project Assessment
Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
160 Elgin Street, 22nd floor
Place Bell Canada
Ottawa ON K1A 0H3
Telephone: 613-948-1364
Fax: 613-957-0941
Email: maryse.pineau@ceaa-acee.gc.ca

and refer to CEAR reference number 04-05-2613 * this number is critical, when dealing with your communications, it does not exist without this number

http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/index_e.cfm


FOLLOWING is opinion
the review panel has not been appointed yet; my opinion but a flood of letters to both Maryse Pineau and cc the federal minister using the language provided by the friends of the Romaine as to why the Quebec assessment is faulty might stir the pot; at the very least it’s applying pressure to a piece of the government that is responsible to you.

One should also consider who the added clients/consumers are of this new “green” energy…… the Ontario Quebec power Corridor commenced after the big black out and there are bilateral discussions between Ontario minister ENV John Gerretsen and Quebec on a carbon cap and trade of which I believe hydro is classified as “green”. Put pressure on Gerretsen to place conditions that Ontario is not interested in providing the onus to destroy more rivers in Quebec or here.

Remember that you can keep abreast of federal standing committee’s by subscribing to notices here:
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/CommitteeBusines ... l=39&Ses=2

TRAN, ENVI, FOPO and RNNR might be of interest to this discussion as alterations to allow or pass the conditions will pass through these committees
"Substainable development"...... not preservation is the government goal; IF (and in a depressed economy you have to weigh the ends yourself)
you want to stop this you have to take part in the process loudly

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PostPosted: November 18th, 2008, 11:32 am 
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Hi Gail … the provincial review body (BAPE) is up and running. They have a full board assembled, and are in Stage II of consultations (beginning December 1). They sent out a request for public comments on November 10, 2008. If you are an organization or an individual, and want to make comments in person, you needed to send in your brief by November 14 (last Friday). Yes, that was 4 days to prepare a brief and consult with your own representatives and experts (I just got off the phone with them to express my concern at this ridiculous time frame). Written comments can be submitted by November 27. They have four months scheduled for the review and submitting their report.

Ms. Monique Gélinas is the contact at the BAPE office: 418 643 7447 (ext. 423).

Some web resources that may interest you:

Globe and Mail: article against the process "Environment? Economics? Hydro-Québec project fails grade"

Le Devoir: funny business in consulting process, developers and regional stakeholders given financial support before environment assessment approvals ("Project hydroelectrique de la riviere Romaine – Roy Dupuis reproche a Hydro-Quebec d'avoir achete l'appui des elus regionaux").

On-line video (well worth a look!): kayakers running the Romaine (Preview LVM28 "East vs West") .... yea, first hand look at this amazing river. La Petit Mécatina is also slated for power development.


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PostPosted: November 18th, 2008, 12:08 pm 
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Ed, many thanks for the links, on top of things as usual!
I had a quick look at the BAPE site; many of the documents required for someone like myself to formulate objections or support are not provided in the language I require. Federal language access legeslation apparently does not extend to Quebec.
Should I assume that the federal review panel (that is required) will be a rubber stanp to this review?

perhaps I'm wrong but it appears from the conditions to take part it is exceedingly difficult for one (outside the communities affected) to take part except through support of Fran's efforts and writing romaine@bape.gouv.qc.ca

I'll write a belated letter to BAPE now but will also place letters to the Federal counterparts to object to the lack of proper bilingual documentation, short time lines and the requirement to justify your interest to take part. There are no such limits that I know of (not that I know anythng) in federal reviews; according to all EA notices on development around here all interested parties are invited to submit
I'll read the news links you provided for further fodder to use in my objections.
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PostPosted: November 18th, 2008, 12:34 pm 
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Hey Folks, Thank you for posting my letter and for your responses and interest in the Romaine River.
It is never too late to send letters and to participate. Unfortunately, through the BAPE, it is too late for your letters to be made public. One of the benefits of the BAPE is that it is supposed to publish all comments that it receives from the public, thus others may read the responses and be further informed about the proposed dams. The deadline for letting the BAPE know that you want to participate, and force them to fulfill their obligation and make your comments public, was Nov 14th. You can certainly still write to romaine@bape.qc.ca and tell them what you think. You can also write to us at info@allianceromaine.org and we will submit your comments through our submission - which will be made public. I realise this process is seriously flawed and that will be a big part of our submission. We are calling the BAPE process undemocratic. It no longer gives the public a true chance to participate. We are asking that all documents be made available in French, English and Innu so that people can truly understand what is taking place. This was an original request that we made to the CEAR regarding the environmental impact assessment that was also only published in French. Hydro Quebec (which conducted the EIA) declined to respond to our complaint. Until these processes change, there is little opportunity for concerned citizens to speak up for our rivers. At least, it is challenging to speak up for our rivers through the system... we will need to get creative.

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 Post subject: Re: Romaine River
PostPosted: November 18th, 2008, 7:23 pm 
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In case it hasn't already been mentioned, here is a link to a photo gallery of some folks who ran the Romaine in 1984:
http://www.rabaska.qc.ca/galerie/romaine1984

I really like this shot; without the canoe in the picture one would think that it was a much smaller river:
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and a link to a much larger image of the same:
http://www.rabaska.qc.ca/galerie/romaine1984/ROMAI_70?full=1


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