Thanks for the input - from all (that's Daniel Odd Job too

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Surely this will not yield into any scientific number. But an educated guess is just as good to me. And where would I find such if not on myccr?

I like true_north's simple equation. 5 minus 5 = zero = not getting anywhere. It was initially the Shoalts story on TV that got me here. My own solo experience (meager "up the creek") brings me to the number of 10 KM per day (dragging, wading and some frantic paddling – kayak-style) in an equally clumsy canoe as Shoalts' 15 ft. Nova Craft Prospector. And with that number the entire thing – 4000 KMs across two height's of land in 4 month, solo – did just not make sense. That’s why I am asking; to see how wrong and how slow I am.

I found a few numbers provided by Eric Morse: “daily mileages under these conditions”:

fast downstream, no portaging = 35,50 miles

downstream with portaging = 15-25 miles

upstream with rapids = 5-15 milesbig lakes over 10 miles long = 15 miles

But Morse was talking “groups”: 6 people, 2 people per canoe, not solo. And if I know one thing: solo makes a big difference. Up to the point where I would consider things are not feasible anymore (solo) whereas a good tandem is still moving.

Now if I were to take Riverrider’s 11 KMs in 4-5 hours (no cargo?, sleek canoe?, day-trip) I would come to 22 KM per day for 9hrs on the water - up. And let’s take the 10 miles from Eric Morse (for going solo this does not appear unreasonable), that’s 16 KMs per day. So 22 and 16 KMs per day would make 19 KMs as a median.

19KM/day (on average) for 1200 KMs (as I recall Shoalts) of upstream travel – that’s more than 2 month without any layover days for wind or rest or whatever. More than half of the total time indicated by Shoalts. With still 2800 KMs to go. And I personally think 19 KM is already a lot – solo, upstream, on average, incl. portage days where the KMs should dwindle to small single digits(?)

In short: I don t know what to think about this. Shoalts’ website is regrettably not really providing many details.

May be someone else can comment on those 19 KMs per day upstream and on the credibility of Shoalts in general.