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 Post subject: Best place for cedar?
PostPosted: January 1st, 2005, 9:18 am 
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I have started to build a new stripper, but need more cedar for strips. Any body have suggestions for a good place to get rough sawn Western Red Cedar at a reasonable price? I live in the Collingwood area so a trip to Toronto is not unreasonable..

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PostPosted: January 19th, 2005, 5:22 pm 
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PeterR wrote:
I have started to build a new stripper, but need more cedar for strips. Any body have suggestions for a good place to get rough sawn Western Red Cedar at a reasonable price? I live in the Collingwood area so a trip to Toronto is not unreasonable..

PeterR

Do a web searh for "Noahs boat building supplies" they specialize in wooden canoes and strippers as well as anything nautical. They are out of your area.
They have a 70 page cataloge and kits too.
Also check out the "Wooden Canoe Heritage Associaition" They have a suppliers page on their web site with all those to supply wood.
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PeterR, I have purchased Western Red cedar at Atchison(sp) Lumber in Hamilton. Their price was very reasonable when compared to your specialty lumberyard. It's not a big yard but I believe they deal in cedar only.

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Atchinson Lumber on Emerson Street (spitting distance from McMaster U) is THE place for cedar in Hamilton. Good guys with reasonable prices - but not cheap. Home Depot was often slightly cheaper for stuff like plywood, but I'd prefer to deal with the Mom and Pop type places if the difference isn't too bad. They may even stock more cedar since the fire a few years ago. They used to provide planks and preripped strips and they had a scrap bin that was on my walk home from university. I pulled enough scraps out of the bin to make a 1/3 scale prospecter.


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PostPosted: January 20th, 2005, 3:58 pm 
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Any thoughts on using "white" cedar.
There are lots of them up there.
Maybe it would be a nice contrast?

There are lots of old telephone poles that are western red cedar.
I have heard of people cutting them up to make canoes.
(Carefull of nails in them)

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PostPosted: January 20th, 2005, 4:12 pm 
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Doug wrote

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There are lots of old telephone poles that are western red cedar.
I have heard of people cutting them up to make canoes.


Actually Doug, when I built my Bob Special Cedarstrip several years ago WRC was tight in Southern Ontario and I remember at that particular time Noah's in Toronto only had cedar from old utility poles. So if you can get someone to rip them up for you it should do.

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I am really having trouble finding WRC in 2"x4" or 4"x4" by 8 feet long. Anyone know of a place to try between Sarnia and Toronto for WRC? I'm looking for select/construction grade. In otherwords, good quality but not the real expensive clear. I like to use it to make Greenland paddles.


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I used deck / fence grade cedar for my greenland paddle. Home Depot.

Check,
Phillmores Enterprises in London
(519) 471-3707
(1092 Sarnia Road @ Hyde Park Road)

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Doug wrote

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There are lots of old telephone poles that are western red cedar.
I have heard of people cutting them up to make canoes


do you know of anywhere to find old telephone poles for cheep, cause i've heard a handfull of large companies already have dibs on em, unless you have a chain saw and some wire cutters ha ha

but seriously if anyone knows where to find some that would be great

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Ask your local utility company?
Talk to the line men.
Small sawmills will pick them up as well.
They may be soaked in creosite, nails, staples, etc. etc.
You may only get 1/2 the use of the pole.

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Telephone poles are a crap shoot...I just finished ripping up the better part of two last weekend....I ended up with one long plank, 24 feet by 12" by 3" that looked pretty good. The other ones were so dry, or split, or knotty that they were virtually unusable. By the time I cut up the plank to get the proper grain, I ended up with the equivalent of 14 twenty two foot strips.....That was a hell of a lot of work, dust and suffering for that few strips. The longest single strip I got was 12 feet, and that was the only one that long.

On the other hand, it looks really nice, but I'm not doing that again.

After I was done with the telephone poles, I ripped up the remaining white cedar that i had, stripped it and bead and coved it. I can tell you that it was a pleasure to work with after the red...the red is quite brittle compared to the white.....I've only used red for one of the nine canoes I've built so far. I'm going to use the red i cut up for the one I'm working on now, but that will be the end of that little adventure......the white cedar is simply a superiour wood.


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I agree, its a lot of work.
Not only in the cuting to get any lengths of strips, but the scarfing of shorter strips.
For me it would be plan "C" in cedarstrip construction.

"A" plan would be clear +16' WRC.
"B" plan would be clear -16' WRC.
"C" plan would be anything you can get your hands on.

How much did your pole cost? length? nails (metal)?


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Doug wrote:
Ask your local utility company?
Talk to the line men.
Small sawmills will pick them up as well.
They may be soaked in creosite, nails, staples, etc. etc.
You may only get 1/2 the use of the pole.

Doug


Thanx Doug

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Poles were free...most mills will not do the initial slicing of the pole up becuase of the fear of metal in the wood ruining their blades, so a chainsaw is often the first mode of attack


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What about the cedar deck? Two years ago I replaced cedar decking (2X4, 2X6) with plastic planks. Specially the planks that were under eaves were in decent shape and most of strips came from those pieces. I built 18' decked canoe (needs glassing inside once the warm weather arrives) out of used cedar decking. Yes, there was a lot of "waste", but I burn it in a woodstove just like I would burn the decking anyhow. :wink:
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