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PostPosted: July 29th, 2005, 7:00 am 
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S wrote:

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Let's not get too hung up* on the correct nomenclature of 'to glide' or 'to be yaw',


Let's give it a try.

She wrote:


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want to get HIGH when I paddle my new boat,
I will want to feeeeel like I am Master of my UNIVERSE
(little that it is)
each stroke I make will fuuuuuel my soul
that stolen one hour of l e i s u r e at dusk
on my river down the street.


How does this sound?

want to get LOW when I pole my new bathtub,
I will want to ache like I am premier of my sewer (big though it is)
each push I make will drain my intestines
that ripped off eternity at midday
on some one else's puddle down the freeway.


Does it work for you? No need to get hung up on nomenclature when you can call things anything you want. :D

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PostPosted: July 29th, 2005, 11:16 am 
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siren1 wrote:
does that mean I can or can't use the term
g l i i i i i i d e to describe
the after burner of my stroke?


Siren,

After burner does not indicate glide but perhaps more like wake! :wink:

How are you doing?

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Hey John,

take a pill......or somethin.

It's obvious that you are very, very knowledgable about boat design, and fluid dynamics and lots of stuff. Way, way more knowledgable than I am. And, I really appreciate reading what you have graciously presented to us laymen so that we can gain some understanding of your craft......but, in my opinion, it's not necessary to condescend to anyone to get it done. You come across sometimes as.....angry and belittling. I don't think it suits you.

In my job as property manager in a government organization, I get to spend millions of $ working with architects, engineers, contractors and such. Each of them has a lanquage that I am learning, and I realize how important accuracy of terms is and must be, especially in the technical field, but the point is important I think, that THEY need to be patient with me, and must be able to learn MY language, or more specifically, the language of my clients, and turn it into reality if they hope to produce the desired results and subsequently, remain my customer. :roll: In my trade the planning and programming phase is critical, as it is I am sure in yours. If we knew as much as you, there wouldn't be a need.....for you. I don't usually gain much by demeaning my customers, however crude they may be.

I'm guessing that some/many/most people don't have a clue how complex your job is, but lighten up. Maybe I'm reading you wrong. I have tremendous respect for your knowledge and intellect, and have personally benefitted from and enjoyed your articles. Thanks for your willingness to share your knowledge.

BTW, on another topic, I have built a Winisk using plans from Green Valley. It is a marvelous boat. Thanks again John.

Smile, Life Is Good!

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Thanks Dan,

Siren, give John a deposit, and the specs. and wrap it up already.


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Hey, daver

Re read Siren's first post.

P.S. It's her thread. :D

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pake wrote:
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take a pill......or somethin.


OK, I understand how you might get that impression but keep in mind that this thread has been more for laughs than anything else. S belittles me and I belittle her back. I get a kick out of the back and forth and suspect she does too. (if you aren't having a good time S let me know) She knows that nomenclature is important (she is an architect) and she knows the importance of physics. She just enjoys tweaking things.

S has no intention of having me design aboat for her unless I can sweet talk her into it. She certainly doesn't want to spend five figures to get it. She just likes stirring the pot and I enjoy keeping the fluids moving.

Anyway, this sometimes happens in a long thread like this. A lot of the original commentary gets lost not to mention a lot of the background that never surfaces (S and I have past :D ). If I lighten up any more I will be floating around two feet off the ground like S.

On a more serious note, let me know if my explanations about hydrodynamics are not clear. I condense things a lot and some htings that I think are obvious are not all that obvious.

Glad you enjoy your Winisk. It has been my favourite tandem design ever since I designed it.

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Thanks John for writin back.

Heck, I'm havin as much fun as anyone with this thread. And I appreciate the good natured ribbing.
S knows there's a little 'monkey' in me too. :P I had hoped I had misunderstood the jabs, and apparantly, I did. That's good, and sorry for any confusion.

Sooo, keep jabing. There's enough seriousness around to get everybody down, if we're not careful.

Your explanations are very, very helpful to me. Heck, if you can 'splain it so a thick headed 'woodenshoe' can understand, you're doin O.K.

And the Winisk.......again, couldn't be happier.
Someday soon I hope to build a Mattawa or Kipawa for solo stuff. I'm a largish paddler, or as I like to say. a 'magnum petite'. Sheesh Siren, now I'm hedging on my size. :wink:

Life Is Good, but now I gotta go for a 2K walk. (that's for you Ritzy)

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PostPosted: July 30th, 2005, 4:43 pm 
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Ahhh
Snagged another hapless sailor floundering on the rocks-
Look-ie-here Davey-boy
If it’s getting too hot in Siren’s kitchen
Maybe you had better move on
You know . . . that locker bit :(

And isn’t it nice
to lean up against a big ol‘Merican (from the mid-west no less)
Why . . . it’s like having your own 6ixth Fleet isn’t it?
Nothing like an Aircraft Carrier to send in a big gun.

OK, back to you
W i n t e r s
and by the way, your poetry sux :-?
even if imitation is the highest form of flattery
best sign up with TMP for a few pointers
and maybe some o r i g i n a l i t y

Yessss, I know how it is with designers . . .
One gets a little . . .
a little complacent after awhile
sittin’ on their laurels
Yeah, a little ‘hide-bound’ ( :o learned that term from this site, sorry I ferget who educated me but I send them a couple of **’s)
I know,
I know,
Those wood boats are real sweet, (*****more stars)
All nice and shiney- with a little stripe here . . and one down there
and all of us are trying to reach perfection (next to this God-guy) in making them
from some plans
But you know,
It’s like those LOG cabins everyone is hankerin’ for,
Yeah,
The c-o-z-i-n-e-s-s of the paaaa-ast,
All that wood and L.L. Bean accoutrements,
It’s like we didn’t get quite enough of it
In our past lives or something
Those P i o n e e r D a y s.

All that nostalgia, why it’s puttin’ us
I n n o v a t o r s
Right out of business,
Yeah,
Like Mies van der Rohe, and Lou Kahn . .
All their best stuff :o
Is still sitting in some plan files somewheres.
And maybe even a Siren’s work. :(

Anyhew, us architects, remember what Nietzsche said . . something about
show me an original Man . . . (or Woman)
there are none,
but we keep trying
and before I show you my
o r I g I n a l . . . sketches,
you’ve got to agree to this proviso :o
something about ‘Intellectual property’
and don’t talk about money . . . those 5 decimal places
this talk of $ is so . . so . . .
vulgar, :-?
did they talk about $ when they invented insulin?
Naw,
and there was glory for everybody. :D

Every Artiste is ‘bothered’ by something Daver
You’ve got your left brainers or right brainers
Numbers and Love, that’s what I have reduced it to,
Stay with us for the riiiiide,
The girl can draw
she thinks
helllll, she’ll drink you under the table
and the guy has built some nice boats.

John . . . I’m here to f a c i l i t a t e
the next chapter . . .
are you ready?
8)

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What about one of these?

http://www.placidboatworks.com/

I hear they are going to start making the Wildfire and Flashfire also.

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Good lord! It was poetry? Why, If so - good or bad- then I have been writing poetry all my life.

And yours is better? :D


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John . . . I’m here to f a c i l i t a t e
the next chapter . . .
are you ready?


Are you capable?

Do you know what page you are on?

For a lasting relationship S, you must have faith in your designer. Do you acknowledge the falsehood of bubbles and will you ceasee worshipping the false gods of reformed Viking house builders and will tell us your inner most secrets (Your weight or your life, lady) forsaking your airy-fairy (sorry about that word I know how sensitive you are about sexual innuendo) past and embrace physics as the only true religion of the enlightened mind?

Oh S. you will get lost on the path of invention unless you have an open mind and focus., focus, focus.

Not a chance shouts the assembled multitude. :D :D

We shall see.

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PostPosted: August 1st, 2005, 8:13 am 
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siren1 wrote:
and don’t talk about money . . . those 5 decimal places
this talk of $ is so . . so . . .
vulgar, :-?
did they talk about $ when they invented insulin?


lol...gonna be tough to get this one off-center without getting the fee paid. :wink:

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JEM wrote:
lol...gonna be tough to get this one off-center without getting the fee paid. :wink:
8)


She sits on the rocks, singing her song. Waiting for a boat to come drifting by...

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Of course, you have to avoid asking for things that have little or no meaning
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Why?

Pake :roll: I always asked why? as a kid.
The yearbook said, 'A monkey to reform the world'
Remember Mary?

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PostPosted: August 1st, 2005, 2:44 pm 
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Sigh,
Isn’t she beautiful . . .
She be the wingéd Victory

Zzzzzzzzzzzip,
sound of Siren’s tape measure snapping back into her holster
rustling of tracing paper
shuffling through manufacturer’s pretty pictures and spec sheets
(gawd, who talked those Lake Placid guys into that black web page)
writing down phone number of Plywood people in Finland . . .

nope, none of the boats have jazz
they cheap out on clumsey gunwhales
scale of boats too long, too short, too dumpy
too many tttttthwarts
it's about too much stuff again


nope, this one may have to be made from scratch, :o
solo, 90” aft and 90” to stern
I’m thinking C1-ish, ‘pieces’ of deck
I need 36” to stretch out my legs (I have different paddling moods)
I need 24” clear for my tidy keester 8) , fighting form = 62K
How about the keel disappearing just before my seat :o . . . so I can pivot
I need answers on outriggers before I decide
what to sacrifice on tumblehome depth
simple simple simple
figured plywood from Finland at a custom (oversized) length, cut like fabric
one piece each side
Wood. Thin wood,
Y’all having so much fun playin’ around with your bits of wood in the Boathouse
I want to try too. :D

I don’t know anything about carbon-kevlar laminates
I’m listening . . .
and the weight of this boat must sit on my shoulder
as I walk 400 yds. to the river
(you’ve got to be able to carry your own boat and make it look effortless,
just like the paddling)

scale (length) +weight +jazz = good performance
and if doesn't . . . well Huney . . .you have indeed missed the boat :-?

and of course I want a frontspiece . . .
a wingéd Victory
she be the queen of Sirens
(sigh, you can be sure some Mannnn knocked her lovely little head off!)

rustling of sketches
:wink:

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siren1 wrote:

figured plywood from Finland at a custom (oversized) length, cut like fabric
one piece each side
Wood. Thin wood,


You're getting into the Origami-style of building. Can be done but needs plenty of simple test models to get right.

You like playing with paper dolls? :wink:


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