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PostPosted: August 30th, 2005, 8:38 am 
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... at least in my opinion!

I finally finished a project I've had on the go for too long. A long time ago I restored an old Richardson cedar and canvas canoe. After many years of paddling it, I came to love that shape above all the other "classic" canoes I've used. I'd take this one over any other including the venerable Prospector. As a project, I took the lines from the restored canoe and produced a table of offsets to build a form from. The hull was finished a while ago, but I finally got around to trimming the canoe out. For anyone interested, there are some photos of the finished project at http://www.blazingpaddles.ca/richardson/

Going to christen it this weekend.


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Great to finally see it, Rolf, I was wondering what happened since you were talking about building it a year or two ago.

Appears to have a nice, deep midsection which would allow it to be paddled leaned way over like in the cover photo. There also doesn't seem to be any tumblehome built in amidships in the photo sighted down the keel line - does this help with stability when paddling leaned over?

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frozentripper wrote:
Appears to have a nice, deep midsection which would allow it to be paddled leaned way over like in the cover photo. There also doesn't seem to be any tumblehome built in amidships in the photo sighted down the keel line - does this help with stability when paddling leaned over?

If I recall correctly, the mid section is slightly flared, not tumblehomed. The canoe feels a bit on the tippy side compared to others, especially if you're not comfortable in a canoe, but the secondary stability is great. It feels very solid when leaned way over and it is very self righting in strong wave situations like lakes with wind or rapids. I can recall a number of situations where I was just about to apply a brace when it became unnecessary, the boat just returned upright on its own.

Let me know if you'd like to test paddle it sometime Rick, perhaps we can hook up somewhere. I often go through Bancroft on the way to the family cottage on the Ottawa up in the Beachburg area.


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Rolf:

I've got one word for you:
G r a c e.
very timely submission/presentation. Merci beaucoup.
Captain wants to try it out. :o
Can we visit?
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a thing of beauty and a joy to hehold! :clap: I think if you produced a video of you paddling that boat it would be sheer poetry in motion.

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wotrock wrote:
I think if you produced a video of you paddling that boat it would be sheer poetry in motion.

Funny you should suggest that, my incentive for finishing the canoe was in fact to use it for a video. I'm planning to produce an instructional program that deals with a lot of the "canoe physics" stuff I've written here and elsewhere. When done, it should be helpful to anyone who wants to get more control out of their canoe.

Siren, I don't mind folks giving the boat a try.

I doubt I've still got the paper plans or table of offsets, but the forms are in the rafters and if anyone _really_ desperately wants to build one, I wouldn't mind someone tracing the forms for their own use. Jack Wagner (Ogilvy Special) sent me a Richardson catalog reproduction that contains this canoe if I remember correctly. Will have to look it up and see if I can add some info from the catalog.

Here's a photo of the original canoe that i've always liked
http://www.blazingpaddles.ca/photograph ... nrise.html

Here's a photo of another copy of the original, only this one was shortened to 14 feet to use as a whitwater playboat. I've always thought the float bags for that one were especially appropriate (inflatable crayola crayons). http://www.blazingpaddles.ca/richardson ... ardson.jpg That's my oldest son Kyle riding on the back float bag. He's now an accomplished whitewater paddler who can be found doing rodeo moves in a C-1 on the Ottawa. This is one of the least expensive canoes I've ever made. Wood for this one came from old cedar poles and a cedar picnic table. Fiberglass came from left over projects. I don't think I spent $200 making it, great fun to paddle.


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Rolf, thanks for offering the opportunity to test-paddle the Richardson - I wouldn't mind seeing how I'd do in it. I built a 1929 Peterborough Huron cedarstrip last year that Steve Killing took the lines from and published in Ted Moores' Canoecraft, and while my first thought is that there'd be some overlap between the two, who knows, having both the Huron and the Richardson in the same place to compare might give some insight on what the next one should be.

Canoeing at the moment is mostly about deciding on what areas I'll be paddling to this fall, and when's the right time. Maybe there'll be some way we can get our plans in synch and hopefully we'll get to trade canoes for awhile.

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frozentripper wrote:
I built a 1929 Peterborough Huron cedarstrip last year that Steve Killing took the lines from and published in Ted Moores' Canoecraft, and while my first thought is that there'd be some overlap between the two, who knows, having both the Huron and the Richardson in the same place to compare might give some insight on what the next one should be.


That would be fun. If I remember my history correctly (and maybe Jack'll jump in if I get it wrong), the folks who started Richardson were former Peterborough employees. Wouldn't surprise me if there is some overlap in design. I think they used Aboriginal names for their models. The one page from a '66 catalog I have lists models, Cree, Kiowa, Techumseh and Iroquois. Perhaps they're derivative of the Huron.


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Real nice Rolf.
Maybe I missed it, but did you mention the dimensions somewhere?
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Gerald Guay wrote:
Real nice Rolf.
Maybe I missed it, but did you mention the dimensions somewhere?

From memory: 16ft, 34 beam, 13 depth.


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Rolf Kraiker wrote:
frozentripper wrote:
I built a 1929 Peterborough Huron cedarstrip last year that Steve Killing took the lines from and published in Ted Moores' Canoecraft, and while my first thought is that there'd be some overlap between the two, who knows, having both the Huron and the Richardson in the same place to compare might give some insight on what the next one should be.


That would be fun. If I remember my history correctly (and maybe Jack'll jump in if I get it wrong), the folks who started Richardson were former Peterborough employees. Wouldn't surprise me if there is some overlap in design. I think they used Aboriginal names for their models. The one page from a '66 catalog I have lists models, Cree, Kiowa, Techumseh and Iroquois. Perhaps they're derivative of the Huron.


I`ve got one of Jack Richardson`s Lakefield`s, it`s a 1964 Cree. It needs some TLC and some time but I do have plans to restore it. But I`ve got other paddling projects on the go, and one such project should open a new page in canoeing history.

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Alan Greve said:
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and one such project should open a new page in canoeing history.

Come on Alan, that's a teaser. :tsk:
Now you've said just enough to have to finish telling us your plans. :wink:
You do know how to start a new thread. :lol:
Can't wait to read about your project. :P
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Gerald Guay wrote:
Alan Greve said:
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and one such project should open a new page in canoeing history.

Come on Alan, that's a teaser. :tsk:
Now you've said just enough to have to finish telling us your plans. :wink:
You do know how to start a new thread. :lol:
Can't wait to read about your project. :P
Cheers,
GG



But only telling alittle is half the fun and besides I`m a man of few words ! :lol:

OK.....to my knowledge there has never be a solo white water canoe designed for kids. Its been for what ever reason,( I don`t know ) that we`ve never thought of designing canoes for young people and more so white water solo boats. After watching many young people paddling kayaks that are designed for kids, I thought why not canoes ? So after a number of camp fires and talking and picking their brains from the likes of Paul Mason , Andrew Westwood and Mark Scriver I started the project, to design and build this canoe. So far the plug has been made and we are moving to the next stage, taking the mould. The boat is going to be called the Splash and will be made of Carbon and will be vacum baged and baked. I have working with me a former Nova Craft and Diamond Air Craft employee Andrew Phillips who has started his own company called Composite Creations.

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Thanks for the info Alan and the best of luck with the project. Great idea.
Keep us informed.

Sorry Rolf, no intent to hijack your thread. all interesting stuff.
Cheers,
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Alan Greve wrote:
I`ve got one of Jack Richardson`s Lakefield`s, it`s a 1964 Cree. It needs some TLC and some time but I do have plans to restore it. But I`ve got other paddling projects on the go, and one such project should open a new page in canoeing history.


Al, did your Richardson have a keel? If so, what kind of hardware was used inside the canoe to attach it? The Cree should be a 15 ft boat, right? Yours should have western red cedar planking which is cut to overlap and not show any gaps between planks, right? If the seats are original, they should be laced with rawhide, right?

I'm real glad you were able to connect with someone who can put your boat into production. I think the reason we haven't seen one in the past is that it's a big gamble on the production side that there'd be enough volume in sales to offset the development. As a consumer of kid boats, the part that is most disturbing is the rate at which they outgrow them. Af last year's Canoecopia, son Brendan spent most of his time helping out the folks from Liquid Logic. At the end of the show, they offered him a Scooter at a price we cculdn't say no to. Back in March during the show, the Scooter fit him like a glove. Even halfway through this summer, it was getting hard for him to fit into the boat. We had to "bump" it because his feet were so jammed up in there it was painful. Going to have to get him something bigger for next year.That shouldn't be as much of a problem for canoes, but it's a factor the manufacturer has to think about.

Like you, I've also got a design in mind that has never been done before. My design's been on the mental drawing board for a good many years but I haven't had any luck in finding someone who wants to put it into production. Unlike you, I'm not about to reveal the idea in a public forum though :-).


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