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 Post subject: skin on frame canoes
PostPosted: August 16th, 2006, 9:57 am 
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Did a search for skin on frame canoes and it returned nothing.

Anyone here built one? Feedback on the process? Know a good design? Good site for research/plans/methods/FAQs? Am at the early research phase.

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I thought skin on frame was a innu kayak design.

Check these

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can be done with canoes as well

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PostPosted: August 16th, 2006, 12:07 pm 
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Palomar here's a link that may be some help with your project... nothing but sof boats here.
http://gaboats.com/boats/

The link rob in angus added to his post would be an excellent choice if you want to do some research into skin on frame construction and it's history.
Harvey (site owner) is a great guy and one of the best Greenland style paddlers in the US.

You can also spend some time looking through this site,
http://www.qajaqusa.org/ The folks on the forums there are all sof builders/paddlers and would be more than happy to share thier experience.

All the best with the project...... :wink:


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Try searching for "umiak", that might turn up something.
The SOF building book I have covers SOF canoes as well as the more common kayaks.

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This kayak site may be of some interest as far as techniques and materials are concerned.

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 Post subject: Yup, done that
PostPosted: August 21st, 2006, 11:21 pm 
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I've done a couple of canoes using the skin-on-frame method
Here's one of them:
http://community.webshots.com/album/551141061Tbqubr
And here's the other one:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/133 ... 7370UBOFRi

I used the Robert Morris book "Building Skin on Frame Boats" as a reference.
I don't know of any websites devoted to the process. Most of the SOF builders are kayakers. It's like any other boat building process in that it isn't particularly difficult, but it helps a lot if you are patient.

You can adapt just about any design to the building process.


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That's a really great boat rack shot in the second link, there, Dave. You know you have a serious disease, don't ya? I'm proud of you for sharing it publicly.

Now about those SOF canoes... Very nice work. I'm going to have to get that book so I can build one myself. Thanks for the reference.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2006, 6:33 am 
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For historical stuff on skin-on-frame boats get a copy of The Bark Canoes and Skin Boats of North America by Adney and Chappelle.

Try www.pakboats.com They make folders.

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Don't forget
http://www.gaboats.com/

http://yostwerks.com/FrameMenu.html


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PostPosted: October 4th, 2006, 10:06 am 
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I just realized the original topic is almost 2 years old, but since I have been researching this exact thing as of late anyway...

A decent pictorial construction overview here:

www.qsl.net/ws8g/canoe.htm


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Cool link...

As you may recall from some previous postings I've spent some time modifying Alv's Pakboat canoes. But I've considered building a folding skin on frame canoe of different dimensions than those built by Pakboat.

I've traded a few emails with Tom Yost about this idea, and he has provided me with ideas on the construction sort of combining the methods he presents on his website and those employed by Alv on the Pakboats.

I think it's novel how this boat was constructed... but it seems seriously overbuilt in my mind. I would use much thinner wood construction throughout, as his boat weighs 38 pounds with no skin, seats or other outfinning. He's gonna be well over 60 pounds which really isn't light for that size boat. I have a friend that built a Plat Montfort Geodesic, and I'd say that the material used on those seems much more in line with the structural needs of a canoe doing anything except serious rock bashing whitewater.

I'm off to spend a few more minutes at that website...

Thanks again for the link..

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pknoerr wrote:
Cool link...

I think it's novel how this boat was constructed... but it seems seriously overbuilt in my mind. I would use much thinner wood construction throughout, as his boat weighs 38 pounds with no skin, seats or other outfinning. He's gonna be well over 60 pounds which really isn't light for that size boat.
PK


I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw it. I like how he has organized and documented all the steps and such, made it seem like and easy-to-follow process, but he definitely could have shed several pounds from this sucker.

The Platt Montfort designs are another story...The brilliance of using kevlar roving to reinforce the lightweight skeleton and Dacron shrinkwrap for the skin makes for some extremely light and unique looking craft. That translucent appearance is extremely cool, and I'm glad to hear that the canoes stand up to most regular use.


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 Post subject: Skin fabric
PostPosted: October 30th, 2006, 3:09 pm 
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I am also contemplating building a SOF canoe ( 14-15' solo for flatwater use) over the course of this winter. What is best skin fabric to use (nylon, polyester, PVC, ???) and where can it be bought or ordered from in Eastern Ontario?
I have looked at a good many of the SOF kayak sites (and the GAboats site), but as stated above, there is little info on SOF canoes using the kayak construction method and materials.
Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated. :D

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PostPosted: October 30th, 2006, 3:51 pm 
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"Skin on Frame" by ROBERT MORRIS

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/ite ... +on+frame'


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