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PostPosted: September 11th, 2007, 8:22 am 
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I've picked up an old royalex canoe and stripped off the old bent gunnels with the intention of putting new ash onto the boat. My problem is that the local hardwood store doesn't have Ash in th 16 foot range. Yes, I could scarf it together, but I'd prefer not to. None of the other hardwood stores within 90 minutes carry 16 foot Ash either... Nobody will put in a special order for the small amount of wood I need either.

What the one store recommended was that I try Ipe, some form of Brazilian Walnut. Has anyone ever used this for gunnels? How does it bend? How does it hold up to the knocks and bangs that gunnels get?

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My experience with walnut is that it is quite a nice wood, although I suspect it's fairly pricey. Is there a particular reason you don't want to scarf? Of the dozen or so canoes I have built, I have yet to have a single piece gunwale....Mahogany can often be obtained at a failry cheap price in long lengths....currently I'm trying to find some good tamarack, as some experienced woodsmen have told me it is very tough and very water resistant...


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Eran,
Check out this link.
In my experience most tropical wood species are quite unstable and swell or contract with changes in humidity and temperature levels.

http://www.woodsthebest.com/ipe_decking/ipe-wood.htm

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Ipe (pronounced epay ) is a very hard dense wood closer to african mahogany than walnut. It is used mainly for decking due to it's resistance to insects and warping. It's very hard to work with and carbide tipped tools are a must. Also due to it's extremely hard nature, I would be suprised if you could get it to follow the curve of your gunwales. I use 1/4 x 1 1/2 strips as a "keel" on toboggans due to it's ability to withstand wear and it's stiffness


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Ipe (pronounced epay ) is a very hard dense wood closer to african mahogany than walnut. It is used mainly for decking due to it's resistance to insects and warping. It's very hard to work with and carbide tipped tools are a must. Also due to it's extremely hard nature, I would be suprised if you could get it to follow the curve of your gunwales. I use 1/4 x 1 1/2 strips as a "keel" on toboggans due to it's ability to withstand wear and it's stiffness.
If it fractures, it produces dozens of needle- sharp splinters that will fester within hours


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Thanks... I guess I won't be so lazy and will scarf the Ash. The guy at the hardwood store guessed what I wanted the ash for when I asked for 18 foot lengths and then recommended ipe. I just wanted this to be a quick project which is why I was going for hardwood in an 18 foot length.

When scarfing ash for gunnels, would you use glue or epoxy?

Gotta build a scarfing jig first for the table saw first...

Eran


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I've always used epoxy for scarfs, and none of them have failed. Usually its a good idea to thicken the epoxy with some sanding dust. I built a jig for the table saw too, it was pretty simple, just a board with a track on the bottom and a narrow board nailed on top at the appropriate angle for the guide. Good luck!


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Eran, just search some local saw mills, they'll rip a couple Ash strips off a plank for you. Thats where I get mine from just a small local guy that has a saw mill. And they're cheap! Stay out of the lumber store ouch!

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Yeah Al, that is usually a good idea. I had a cheap source for hardwood back in Hamilton, but not down here. I checked with one of the dads on our kid's soccer team that I coach - he is a cabinet maker and gets his stuff from a redneck sawmill (I swear I only catch about 2/3s of what this guy is saying). Their board foot price for ash was only 50 cents lower than the store in town, and they are a good 45 minutes away - and don't have 16+ foot lengths. Our local store is only $2.50 / bdft as it is, so it won't be that bad for the small amount I need.

I've got everything stripped off the canoe except the Blue Hole sticker now, going to go get the ash on the weekend. Some of the bad bends in the hull are already coming back into shape a little bit after the warped gunnels came off. Now we just need rain, this drought is killing our paddling!


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I got lucky... at the lumber store that is. When I started poking around the hardwood barn I found a piece of 4/4" stock S2S 1x8 Ash that was just over 16 feet long. The one side was a little rough, I'll lose an inch or more in places there but the other side only lost enough to plane a smooth edge on the jointer. The guy out in the barn gave me a deal given the rough edge and I got the entire board for a few pennies more than $20.

I'll be back to the store, good experience all around.

I've ripped and routered my gunnels. Hope to drill pilot holes in the inwale tonight and the gunnels should be on before long. With the extra wood I think I'm going to try my hand at making seats. BUT MAN, we need rain. We're 24 inches below normal right now and need rain in the worst way. I want to beat this canoe up in the rapids around home but right now there is only 1 cubic foot / second flowing down the river. SIGH.


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eranandrechek,

Check out the following company. I have not gone there yet to see what they have, but a colleague of mine goes there now and again to get high quality woods cut to whatever he needs. I found this information in www.yellowpages.ca . Apparently they have all kinds of varieties of wood species and can cut you many different shapes.

McQueen Custom Cuts Quality Lumber Co
Address : 478 Netherby Road, Welland, ON L3B 5N7
Telephone : 905-714-9350
Category : Lumber Retail, Lumber Whol & Mfrs
Directory : Niagara Region, Welland


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 Post subject: check out this epoxy
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eranandrechek wrote:
Thanks... I guess I won't be so lazy and will scarf the Ash. The guy at the hardwood store guessed what I wanted the ash for when I asked for 18 foot lengths and then recommended ipe. I just wanted this to be a quick project which is why I was going for hardwood in an 18 foot length.

When scarfing ash for gunnels, would you use glue or epoxy?

Gotta build a scarfing jig first for the table saw first...

Eran

MasEpoxy out of New Jersey makes fantastic epoxies for everything, easy to use, easy to clean up.


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