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PostPosted: January 30th, 2023, 6:53 pm 
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Does anyone here know who designed this canoe? What is its intended use, etc.. Not much info on their site.

https://rheaumecanoes.com/article/143-rebel/

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PostPosted: January 31st, 2023, 1:16 pm 
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Nope

You could reach out and ask them

https://rheaumecanoes.com/contact-us/

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PostPosted: January 31st, 2023, 1:50 pm 
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Seems to have zero rocker from the picture. Looks fast. I wonder how it 'spins quickly'? By heeling it over?


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PostPosted: January 31st, 2023, 2:08 pm 
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Gerald Guay wrote:
Does anyone here know who designed this canoe? What is its intended use, etc..


No idea who the designer might be. From the photos it appears to have little to no rocker and a bit of tumblehome midships.

14’ 3” x 23 ½” beam gives it a fast length-to-waterline ratio for a short canoe; 171 inches divided by 23.5” = 7.27. That is fast, especially for a short canoe.

I’m not sure what this line in the prose means – “in addition to providing it with good stability which allows it to spin quickly and straight”.

“Spin quick and straight” is an oxymoron. I suppose that could mean it has a very shallow arch bottom, and will flat spin without a lean. Which sometimes means “Don’t lean and test the secondary stability, at least not in cold weather without a drysuit”

Mini rant: I wish manufacturers would depict the bottom shape of their canoe; there is a world of difference between rounded, shallow arch, shallow vee and flat. How shallow is a “shallow arch”? That could be damn near U round or damn near ___ flat.

The Rebel a relatively short, fast, no rocker canoe “for small to medium-sized paddlers who prefer to travel light”. That leaves me out on several counts.

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You could reach out and ask them


If the Rebel 14 is of interest I would ask Rheaume about the bottom shape, maybe even some upside-down side views and stems-on photos.


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PostPosted: January 31st, 2023, 5:26 pm 
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Mike McCrea wrote:

Mini rant: I wish manufacturers would depict the bottom shape of their canoe; there is a world of difference between rounded, shallow arch, shallow vee and flat. How shallow is a “shallow arch”? That could be damn near U round or damn near ___ flat.



Rheaume don't even give the amount of rocker for any of their boats, that is REALLY weird!

This Rebel 14 sure is narrow if the specs are to be believed.

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PostPosted: February 1st, 2023, 5:25 am 
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Oak Orchard Canoe in Waterport NY has been carrying the Rheaume line for a couple of years now. When I saw the Rebel there I was very impressed with the fit and finish, but did not get a chance to paddle it. Pretty sure the beam listed is at the gunnels like the rest of their models; did not have a tape measure with me, but I would guess maximum width closer to 28 inches. Rocker is listed on OOC's site as 1.5 bow, .5 stern. Would be great if all manufacturers gave the 2,3 and 4 inch waterline widths with load data like Northstar and Clipper, makes it alot easier to estimate hull shape and make comparisons.


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PostPosted: February 3rd, 2023, 1:01 pm 
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Rheaume don't even give the amount of rocker for any of their boats, that is REALLY weird!

This Rebel 14 sure is narrow if the specs are to be believed.


Rheaume’s website specs leave something to desired.

I understand not specifying “Capacity”. Some manufacturers, like Wenonah, will not list a capacity, believing any number could be misleading depending on conditions and paddler. But even a “Recommended Burden” number is helpful.

“Beam” is awfully vague. Max width, gunwale width, waterline at X lbs? In the topside photo it doesn’t look like there is enough tumblehome from 23 ½” gunwales to 28” max beam or waterline, but it’s just a photo, so maybe there is 2” of tumblehome per side

With no industry standard as to how and where rocker is measured any rocker spec is a mystery. The Oak Orchard 1.5” and 0.5” could mean anything. In the sideview photo that 0.5” in the stern must be within inches of the stem.

It does look like an interesting niche design. Not sure what niche it is in; a kneeling pack canoe?


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PostPosted: February 3rd, 2023, 6:37 pm 
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The specs for the Rebel are remarkably close to the Swift Keewaydin 14, with a little less rocker. Did paddle, but didn't care for the Kee 14, opted for the Northstar Trillium instead. Aesthetically, the Trillium pales in comparison to the Kee 14, left in the dust by the Rebel. I regret not giving the Rebel a spin.


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PostPosted: February 4th, 2023, 9:41 am 
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Kanadesaga wrote:
The specs for the Rebel are remarkably close to the Swift Keewaydin 14, with a little less rocker. Did paddle, but didn't care for the Kee 14, opted for the Northstar Trillium instead. Aesthetically, the Trillium pales in comparison to the Kee 14, left in the dust by the Rebel. I regret not giving the Rebel a spin.


We may be living in the Golden Age of small, lightweight solo canoes. Nearly all the major manufacturers offer at least one such canoe. The Swift models alone constitute a plethora of small composite hulls.

I guess the market forces of an aging canoeist population, unable or unwilling to heft heavier tandem boats, with money to spend, are bearing fruit.


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PostPosted: February 4th, 2023, 10:34 am 
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[/quote] I guess the market forces of an aging canoeist population, unable or unwilling to heft heavier tandem boats, with money to spend, are bearing fruit.[/quote]

Unapologetically guilty of the first part, not so much the second. Went with the Trillium in part because it was almost $1000 (US) less than its Canadian brethren. Still was hard to justify, but at 25 pounds will keep me on the water a few more years.

Also, found the specs:


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PostPosted: February 5th, 2023, 6:58 am 
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Kanadesaga said:

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Went with the Trillium in part because it was almost $1000 (US) less than its Canadian brethren.


Interesting posts. Was wondering if you use the Trillium as a day tripper or a multi-day canoe. Being a smaller boat how does it handle rough open water?

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PostPosted: February 5th, 2023, 9:08 am 
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Gerald Guay wrote:
Kanadesaga said:

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Went with the Trillium in part because it was almost $1000 (US) less than its Canadian brethren.


Interesting posts. Was wondering if you use the Trillium as a day tripper or a multi-day canoe. Being a smaller boat how does it handle rough open water?

Thx,
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Strictly a day tripper, my multi-day forays are long past. The Kee 14 and Rebel both fill that same day-tripping role for a small to medium paddler as well. The 'shouldered flare' of the Northstar boats really handle rough open water amazingly well, and their Starlight layups can really get the weight down. If only it wasn't so hard to look at!


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PostPosted: February 5th, 2023, 11:09 am 
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Kanadesaga wrote:
their Starlight layups can really get the weight down. If only it wasn't so hard to look at!


I guess it depends on what you are accustomed to looking at. Northstar’s “proprietary yellow and black stunning moiré pattern” is not just lighter than our beater Royalex canoes, it is more aesthetically pleasing to my eye.

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PostPosted: February 16th, 2023, 4:39 pm 
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My friend trips in his Trillium and he does not travel light. I've put many hours on his Trillium and it's an impressive hull design. Super quick and effortless. Responsive and maneuverable. Very seaworthy, for it's size. The skin coat is pretty thin so the boat may need a light epoxy coating periodically if you use it hard. I think you just need to remember that it's kind of small, so you need to fit and you need to be happy with a lower volume boat. On the river I paddle on most there are times when I appreciate a little more volume.

I also tried a Kee14 and didn't care for it. And I test paddled a new Northstar Firebird and it's a neat boat but would have been $3500 in BlackLite with their all aluminum trim and their trim looks pretty crude compared to the used Wenonah I bought a couple years ago. And the wrinkles in the interior from the vacuum bagging process. And the cheap/ugly decals. Great boats but....grrr. The older Bells with aluminum trim and wood thwarts were nicer aesthetically.


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