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 Post subject: Re: portage padding
PostPosted: May 14th, 2015, 7:47 pm 
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The 15'8" is listed at 87lbs on the Old Town site, so now you can brag even more.

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PostPosted: May 27th, 2015, 11:49 pm 
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Some good advice there. I will repeat the point on balance. My 78 pound +outfitting OT Tripper was easier to carry than my 57-58 pound wooden canoe for several reasons, a good yoke being one, but balance was the biggest. That made the extra 25 pounds or so almost bearable.

One more thing: in making your shoulder pads, get a couple of extra blocks of foam for the tops of your shoulders, which will both pad them and help keep the canoe (especially if it has a flat yoke) off your neck.

Then enjoy the fact that a single portage is usually enough to keep the motorboats away.

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PostPosted: May 28th, 2015, 7:16 am 
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I have used the padded yoke pads Splake linked to on a rented 65 lb canoe, and it was well worth bringing along. If the yoke doesn't fit your shoulders, it helps a lot. If the yoke fits well, then I don't bother with it. I have also carried a canoe with pack, and resorted to letting the ill-fitting yoke sit on the pack instead of my neck and shoulders, but that is more tiring (but less painful) due to balance issues.


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PostPosted: May 28th, 2015, 7:59 am 
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Are you sure you want to go the DIY route?? I got these amazing pads from Boundary Waters - not very costly, and they are WONDERFUL :thumbup: , (even though my boat actually weighs very little ). :)


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 Post subject: Re: portage padding
PostPosted: May 28th, 2015, 11:28 am 
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Yes. Those are the kind of blocks I was thinking of - although I was thinking they could/would go along your shoulders instead of across. I didn't know anyone was making those commercially these days. (Note, that is what the old Grumman yokes were like: a bar with a pair of pads.)

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PostPosted: May 28th, 2015, 12:41 pm 
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Several sources for those pads.. quite common

http://bourquin.wcha.org/yokes.html

http://www.boundarywaterscatalog.com/canoe-gear-custom Note the curved neck pad as well as the others


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PostPosted: May 28th, 2015, 1:23 pm 
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Nice, thank you.
I will check them out to protect my damaged shoulder, which can't take much pressure on top for long periods. I note they are heavy (relative to tripping with everything on your back), so I would only take them on trips with significant "hiking" time. They need to be removable, and not damage my nice hardwood yokes, but that can all be managed.

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PostPosted: May 28th, 2015, 5:09 pm 
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Back in '73, when I was young and strong, I portaged an 85 pound FG canoe in Quetico. Getting it up on my shoulders was a chore, and even with a well-padded yoke, the pressure pain on my shoulders was intense over portages. I suggest keeping canoe weight down to 70 pounds, or rent a really lightweight boat that is down below 50 pounds.


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PostPosted: June 1st, 2015, 5:10 pm 
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LRC: thanks for the link to Bourquin Boats. I haven't come across the site before, and I like her answer to "Why wood?"
A few days ago I purchased a slightly-used Swift Osprey in ultralight kevlar with ash gunwhales. The boat's not the lightest around, but it's half the weight of other canoes I own. Anyway, thanks to this site, I reflected hard on how I was going to carry this new boat, and think I've come up with a workable system that adds very little weight to the boat itself. I've cut 2 1-inch dense grey foam pads that I use for kneeling, bum-padding and extra mattress padding (when they're not soaking wet!) into canoe seat-sized rectangles. The top layer sandwiches two paddle blades whose shafts are lashed across the bow-side thwart. The top foam piece is shaped with a yoke-style keyhole for my neck to fit into. The forward edge of the sliding seat with 2 inches of dense padding becomes my yoke. One 3 foot adjustable strap keeps the system in place on the seat and allows for easy movement in and out of the 1-inch foam "seat heighteners". Did someone say "A picture's worth a thousand words?" You're absolutely right! Unfortunately,I can putter with a yoke, but I can't putter with downloading pictures on this site, in spite of well-intentioned efforts by a patient administrator a year or two ago. Anyway, this epistle is to encourage you to consider other options re: carrying thwarts, before adding a yoke that might, itself, weigh 5% of the boat's weight. I do like those Boundary Waters portage pads, but they're overkill on a lightweight canoe.


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PostPosted: June 1st, 2015, 6:08 pm 
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If you would like to email the picture(s) to admin@myccr.com attention MartinG I will post them for you.


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 Post subject: Re: portage padding
PostPosted: June 2nd, 2015, 5:42 am 
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Martin2007, I agree and would prefer not to add the extra weight of the detachable yoke after spending so much money to get a light boat, which as you said, does not really need the best solution since it is so light. Because I have the 14', I don't have the sliding seat to get it close enough to the ideal fulcrum. I'm trying the new yoke this week in Killarney with a 2900 metre portage on the first day, so I'll quickly know whether or not its worth it.
I would be very interested to see the pictures of your set up.

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PostPosted: June 2nd, 2015, 6:49 am 
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martin2007 wrote:
LRC: thanks for the link to Bourquin Boats. I haven't come across the site before, and I like her answer to "Why wood?"
A few days ago I purchased a slightly-used Swift Osprey in ultralight kevlar with ash gunwhales. The boat's not the lightest around, but it's half the weight of other canoes I own. Anyway, thanks to this site, I reflected hard on how I was going to carry this new boat, and think I've come up with a workable system that adds very little weight to the boat itself. I've cut 2 1-inch dense grey foam pads that I use for kneeling, bum-padding and extra mattress padding (when they're not soaking wet!) into canoe seat-sized rectangles. The top layer sandwiches two paddle blades whose shafts are lashed across the bow-side thwart. The top foam piece is shaped with a yoke-style keyhole for my neck to fit into. The forward edge of the sliding seat with 2 inches of dense padding becomes my yoke. One 3 foot adjustable strap keeps the system in place on the seat and allows for easy movement in and out of the 1-inch foam "seat heighteners". Did someone say "A picture's worth a thousand words?" You're absolutely right! Unfortunately,I can putter with a yoke, but I can't putter with downloading pictures on this site, in spite of well-intentioned efforts by a patient administrator a year or two ago. Anyway, this epistle is to encourage you to consider other options re: carrying thwarts, before adding a yoke that might, itself, weigh 5% of the boat's weight. I do like those Boundary Waters portage pads, but they're overkill on a lightweight canoe.


So, unless I misunderstand this (which is quite possible......), you need to re-do this stuff every time you need to carry? Like, tie down paddles, place padding etc etc ?? If I'm right in my understanding, I have to say there is NO way I'm doing all that when I'm sweating buckets, up to my ass in loon shyte, and fending off clouds of mosquitos... just not on. :-?

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 Post subject: Re: portage padding
PostPosted: June 2nd, 2015, 8:46 am 
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Martin 2007's Portage Padding solution:

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 Post subject: Re: portage padding
PostPosted: June 2nd, 2015, 8:56 am 
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Shhhhhh! Sk8r, you'll frighten the children, and they won't want to come on our adventures any more! Your description of portage reality might make us, and them, question our own masochistic urges.
Anyway, MartinG kindly volunteered to upload my photos for me to, hopefully, show that the system isn't too complicated or rigorous. I understand how reading my yolk epistle is about as inspiring as reading the factory instructions on lawnmower assembly. The pictures will help. Disclaimer: the Osprey hasn't been trip-tested yet as I'm still applying final coats of Helmsman Spar Urethane to the gunwhales (thanks, Mike McCrae).


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Wow, that was fast! Thanks, MartinG!


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