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PostPosted: December 17th, 2018, 11:54 pm 
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J B Tyrrell's maps.
I don't know that anyone will find these of interest, but for sure they will do no good sitting on my computer.
Black Lake to south of Selwyn Lake.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-1-1893
Continuation to past Wholdiah/Daly Lake.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-2-1893
Continuation to past Boyd Lake.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-3-1893
Continuation to the middle of Nicholson Lake.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-4-1893
Continuation to the middle of Grant Lake.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-5-1893
Continuation to past Aberdeen Lake.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-6-1893
Continuation to Baker Lake.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-7-1893
Continuations to the mouth of the Churchill River.
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-8-1893
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... one-9-1893
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... ne-10-1893
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... ne-11-1893
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... ne-12-1893
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... ne-13-1893
https://barrenlands.library.utoronto.ca ... ne-14-1893

EDIT 1. I see that David beat me to providing the map for Schultz Lake,
EDIT 2. JBT's book provides a harrowing account of especially the trip south from Churchill.

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PostPosted: December 18th, 2018, 10:56 am 
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Wondering how J B Tyrrell measured elevations in the 1890s.

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PostPosted: December 18th, 2018, 12:53 pm 
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I accept David's comment as applied to one person suffering from hypothermia.
But only LeFavour of the six did not end up in the water. BTW, I do not believe that GG lost consciousness.
Those were extremely trying circumstances, and so I suggest that second-guessing is inappropriate.
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PostPosted: December 18th, 2018, 2:47 pm 
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I saw no evidence of chaos, after all reached shore, in the writings of the survivors. As best I can tell, they did what they could have done in the circumstances. I await evidence, as opposed to assertions, that they did not do so.

EDIT. I added , after all reached shore, to the first version.

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Gosh, this is the longest exchange between primarily two people I've ever seen on the internet, and, it's civil. For that reason alone, I'm glad I saw it. But this story too is quite something, had never heard of it before. Like all good literature it seems to have a cast of characters, motivations, and actions that allow for lengthy introspection. I've not read anything except now this thread and this journal, and on that basis I'm voting nay. This Ed character was a young guy, seemingly open-minded and amiable, but for some reason he didn't click with Moffat. The reasons given in the journal are numerous, and to me they don't quite add up to good leadership. For example, when was the last time someone didn't take a radio just because some desk-bound 'authorities' told them not too?? But I am impressed with the dedication to the film-making, continuing to get material long past the point where I would have chucked the 86 pound load. Perhaps Moffatt should have been a film-maker on somebody else's expedition? On the matter of the portage, I like the analogy that was mentioned once or twice in the journal. Yes, it would have burned far more energy than paddling, but beyond the psychology of the decision it was also a way to stay warm in the late season. It makes sense, if they had the food to supply that energy. From the evidence, it seems that they did. Though I'm not seeing much evidence of fat that they had available to consume, just protein.


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OK good point, I'd assumed those beasts were mostly muscle. Just getting to that link for the Tyrrell journal, and it looks like it's going to be a great read. Can't believe I didn't know about any of this stuff.


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An email message just received from Ed Lanouette, Moffatt's bowperson.


Hi Allan..... just a few lines to help clarify some of the online questions.
First a correction: it was Peter Franke, not Bruce LeFavour, who remained relatively dry after the accident. Peter was in the red canoe with george Grinnell. Art and I, in the gray canoe , went belly up first; then came Skip Pessl and Bruce in the green canoe that also turned turtle.
Art and I were in an eddy maybe a hundred yards or so from shore. But Pessl and LeFavour were drifting away, so , after dumping out water in their canoe, Peter and George went after them. After dragging LeFavour and Pessl ashore, Pete and George came for us. But George fell overboard trying to haul in my heavy pack. He made several attempts to haul himself aboard the red canoe, almost swamping it in the process. George then had to be hauled to shore, the canoe had to be emptied and by the time Art and I were rescued , I think we were in the water for the better part of an hour. Both Art and I did little but hang on to our canoe and grab whatever equipment floated by.
On land , I was unconscious for a couple of hours; Art died despite Skip's best efforts to resuscitate him.
As to our eight -mile portage over the Marjorie hills to lake Aberdeen, we decided we would save time and miles of river travel, especially now that much of our food was gone.I made three back -and -forth trips between Marjorie and Aberdeen -some 24 miles- and others may have as well. The land was relatively smooth and dry. This was no walk in the park, but without rocks and brush, we made good time over the mossy surface.
I don't know if this clarifies anything, Allan, but I hope it puts to rest some of David Demello's online questions.
I enjoyed reading the comments and hope all is well with you.
Regards, Ed(Joe)

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