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Author:  KTM_canoe [ June 1st, 2020, 2:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Esquif Prospecteur 16' vs Presage

Hello I am new here and looking for some opinions so please don't hold back. I am located in Calgary and plan to use a canoe for some simple local day and overnight river trips as well as paddling a few of the smaller lakes in the rockies (and in BC). Eventually I want to work up to paddling something like the Kootenay upstream of Canal flats etc. I want something durable that I don't mind beating up.

I did some canoe paddling eons ago, dabble with kayaks, and have been catching up on all the developments regarding the demise of royalex etc. At first I wanted to pick up something used to figure out what exactly I wanted however the covid lockdown has complicated that and most used offerings tend to be pricey and in tough shape.

There seems to be very limited options in retailers in Calgary.

My research led me to either an Esquif 16' Prospecteur or a Presage. The T-Formex is appealing to me and it seems a little lighter (22 lbs) than the 16' Nova Craft 16' Prospector in SP3. I am about 6'2" and 220 lbs and should have no problem throwing a 60-70 lb craft up on the roof of my Ridgeline.

Between those two which one do you prefer and why? Thanks in advance.

Author:  scoops [ June 1st, 2020, 5:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Esquif Prospecteur 16' vs Presage

Firstly, welcome to MYCCR.

I have not paddled the Prospecteur so cannot offer an opinion. I have owned a Presage for am thinking about 20 years +/- a couple.
Only issue that I had( this may have been corrected in later versions) was that I had to move the bow seat back to accommodate a six foot bow paddler a quite bit as there was not enough leg room. Once that was figured out nicely balanced canoe for two.
Have done solid CLII's loaded tandem. Friends have Dumoines, Appalachions, various Prospectors and have no issues keeping up on flat water or in white water.
What the Presage does better than the others( IMHO) is excel as a solo boat. Paddling backwards from the bow seat is a nicely balanced big solo boat that has tons of room, works nice on flat-water and really well on moving water.
Thinking the Prospecteur will handle more of a load, a lot depends on how you pack. How much solo paddling will you do? Neither will be a bad decision.

Author:  KTM_canoe [ June 1st, 2020, 9:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Esquif Prospecteur 16' vs Presage

Thank you, trying to read and learn a lot. They are very similar. Same length, same width, same rocker (2.75"). The Presage is a little deeper at 14.75 vs 14". The Presage is heavier at 70 lbs vs 65 lbs for the Prospecteur. Very similar except for the bow shape and side profile I guess. Not a lot of reviews on either although there was some complaints the Presage had poor secondary stability? Could be user error I guess. I was sticking to the 16' length as it was possible to use as a solo although that will probably not be a primary use right away. The difference is they have a Presage in stock but all Prospecteurs are back ordered (Covid closure too). Not sure of when or if they will show up.

I really don't think I will be pushing past CLII but I guess if I did the Prospecteur "may" be a little better. Sounds like the Presage may be a little better on flat water which is what many of the local rivers can be.

Very tough as there are no boats to trial.

Author:  Airbag [ June 2nd, 2020, 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Esquif Prospecteur 16' vs Presage

Prospector is older design espoused by many canoeing legends and highly regarded/ sought after. Presage, not so much, even if the hull is similar.

A used Prospector will fetch a higher price than a used Presage, so consider a Prospector if buying new, or a Presage if buying used.

Avoid SP3 boats, they're much heavier and won't resell above 500$

Also, consider an Esquif Canyon, not as legendary as a prospector, but probably hold their value better.

Used Presage, 800-1200$
Used Prospecteur, 1000-1500$
Used Canyon, 1400-2000$

Author:  KTM_canoe [ June 3rd, 2020, 5:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Esquif Prospecteur 16' vs Presage

Ok thanks for the info. The rivers here are starting to swell with runoff so we have a few weeks for them to calm back down. Hopefully Esquif sends some boats out west. I am quite surprised about the lack of boats out west.

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