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PostPosted: October 4th, 2011, 11:25 am 
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The questions always come up - could the money have been spent more effectively, are there competent individuals providing leadership, is this lip service, is this tokenism, is this political greenwashing, is the government simply throwing money at the problem, hoping it will disappear...

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Poor management puts federal climate plans at risk, audit finds

OTTAWA—Ottawa has spent more than $9 billion on a series of climate change programs that, to this day, are unable to accurately measure or bring about greenhouse gas emission reductions, a new report says.

The last decade has seen three different governments make progressively less ambitious plans to cut emissions, both domestically and through legally binding international agreements.

Even the Conservative government’s own climate change plan is 90 per cent less ambitious than the one Prime Minister Stephen Harper first set out in 2007, said federal environment commissioner Scott Vaughan in a report released Tuesday.

This is due in large part to the absence of a climate change plan in the United States and the Harper government’s refusal to go it alone. This means that 85 per cent of Canada’s anticipated emissions reductions are now in limbo until Washington develops a climate change plan.

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“It is unclear whether the federal government will be able to achieve these new reduction targets until a coherent system is in place that has clear objectives, timelines, interim targets and expectations with key partners,” Vaughan’s report said. “The government will also need an overall strategy to coordinate efficient and effective spending of billions of dollars.”

Right now, there is a patchwork of federal funding regimes spread out over seven departments. It appears that the money is not focused on a specific goal and is therefore unlikely to produce targeted results, the report said.

Of the more than $9 billion that had been spent on climate change plans up to November 2010, when the report was completed, $5.9 billion will not reduce emissions in the 2008-2012 Kyoto period.

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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... udit-finds

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PostPosted: October 7th, 2011, 5:05 am 
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Indeed they could have spent the money better by using it to prepare for the global warming that IS going to hit us, than by pretending that we are going to stop it. Things like flood control/preparation, health measures to counteract increased disease vectoring, waste containment mitigation measures re loosing permafrost, etc.


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PostPosted: October 7th, 2011, 7:06 am 
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Indeed they could have spent the money better by using it to prepare for the global warming that IS going to hit us, than by pretending that we are going to stop it.

If you believe that GW is a binary thing, you are probably right. But it doesn't help to perceive the process simpler than it is: GW will happen at different rates depending on how much greenhouse gas is being pumped into the atmosphere. Depending on how much we curtail the emissions, we'll have GW small, large or super. The consequence is that we'll have to take action on limiting the emissions as well as action on dealing with the effects of GW that you point at.

By the way, we are past the point where 2% of the world's GNP would have prevented GW. Remember Kyoto? Thanks to the nasty commercial interests and the gullible public that believed their propaganda, we are now faced with a change whose impact on humanity is bigger than the consequences of WWII.

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PostPosted: October 7th, 2011, 9:06 am 
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Ok, then how about this approach. Rather than spending $9 billion ranting at people and "monitorin" you could spend that same $9 billion on actually installing solar power. At a cost of $10/watt installed that gives you 900 Gigawatts of installed solar power or roughly 7 times the total generating capacity in Canada as of 2007.


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PostPosted: October 8th, 2011, 8:31 pm 
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a few factors of 10 have gone astray.


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PostPosted: October 10th, 2011, 6:36 pm 
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dang, I knew that sounded too good to be true. Correct # would be 900 Megawatts.

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PostPosted: October 11th, 2011, 1:27 pm 
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Erhard wrote:

By the way, we are past the point where 2% of the world's GNP would have prevented GW. Remember Kyoto? Thanks to the nasty commercial interests and the gullible public that believed their propaganda, we are now faced with a change whose impact on humanity is bigger than the consequences of WWII.


Impact bigger than WW2? Really? Care to quantify that claim? You seem extremely certain of the outcome. Even more certain than most climatologists. This suggests either an impressive scientific background and knowledge of the matter or an absolute blind faith in things you don't begin to understand. I hope you're not part of the "gullible public" you deride so readily.


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PostPosted: October 11th, 2011, 2:21 pm 
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If we're going to spend time on the topic, I'd like to focus on how to spend the money that is getting spent anyway.

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PostPosted: October 11th, 2011, 8:27 pm 
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Chris: no specific research or projections that I want to refer to, just what I see for the next 100 years of rapidly rising temperatures.

The changing climate will play havoc with the crops that humanity relies on (especially in Africa), the water supply in all areas that rely on snowpack melt during the summer months (e.g. western portions of the Americas, all of South and South-East Asia) and rising sea levels will force the evacuation of large coastal areas (e.g. Asia, Europe). We'll see a refugee problem like never before as large population centres will no longer be able to sustain their population. The people affected are in the hundreds of millions, and I would not be surprised if it was more than a billion.

In addition to the displaced populace, there'll be plenty of folks dying of starvation and climate-related disease, and there'll be a wars between nations, tribes etc as a consequence of the hunger for land. Look at Africa, where the process is already in full swing.

With the world's much larger population compared to 70 years ago, there'll be more displacements, deaths and hardship than was experienced by my parent's generation. Just my guess...

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