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PostPosted: March 21st, 2014, 4:34 pm 
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There was a bunch of discussion recently about using a firebox in place of a traditional campsite fireplace built out of rocks. Since then I have done a bit of looking, including following the suggestions from the other thread, but I'm having trouble finding any fireboxes as opposed to twig stoves.

If I was camping solo and/or sticking to one pot meals then a twig stove might be a good fit. I've considered them before because they do look like they would be fun to use and could be great for a bit of a hot lunch on day trips. However, even with a small group of 4, a twig stove really isn't going to replace a traditional fireplace with a grill that can fit 2 or 3 pots/pans at a time.

So, does anyone have a suggestion or recommendation for a folding firebox that would be a possible replacement to a using a fireplace?

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PostPosted: March 21st, 2014, 4:57 pm 
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Churchill River Canoe Outfitters. They have a variety of sizes.

http://www.canoemapscanada.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=57


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PostPosted: March 21st, 2014, 5:03 pm 
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http://www.blacksprucegear.ca/Home_Page.php

http://canoepaddler.me.uk/Home.php

http://www.canoemapscanada.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=57

Page 2 of this thread has a post by dusty1 who will send you a pdf file of the plans for the box he built (uses a Purcell grill)- I have the materials just need to cut and assemble it now
http://myccr.com/phpbbforum/viewtopic.p ... it=firebox

http://www.180tack.com/shop/180-stove

Eureka has one as well - weighs around 11 lbs
http://www.wildernesssupply.ca/stoves-g ... a/fire-box

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PostPosted: March 21st, 2014, 9:07 pm 
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Honestly, I think if you have 2 or 3 people all with their own pots using a firepit will be better. Get a nice bed of coals going and everybody has plenty of surface area to cook, makes the process pleasurable. For a twig stove, I use a $5.99 IKEA utensil canister. All holed up buy itself. Cut out a bigger hole at the bottom as a feed and then I use the slats that come with one of those canned heat stoves on the top. Works great and nests inside a zebra 12 cm billy pot.


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PostPosted: March 21st, 2014, 9:24 pm 
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Make one.
I use two sizes. 9"w x 12"d x 8"h (2.76lbs) for one or two people or where weight is an issue. A larger 12" x 18" x 8" (4.36lbs) for groups or where weight doesn't matter.
I use regular galvanized flashing so burning off the galvanization with several very hot fires (rotating the pieces to burn everything off) is very important as it's toxic to breathe these fumes. Once done, you don't have to worry anymore.

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We use a half size grill now for better functionality. Here's a brand new one.

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2014, 8:24 am 
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Thanks Guys

The Black Spruce Gear looks like the one I remember looking at a few years back. I'm not sold on using a firebox on established routes with existing fire pits, but I would consider it if I start getting out to routes that aren't as well established.

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2014, 10:25 am 
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Splake wrote:
Thanks Guys

The Black Spruce Gear looks like the one I remember looking at a few years back. I'm not sold on using a firebox on established routes with existing fire pits, but I would consider it if I start getting out to routes that aren't as well established.


For me there are two major advantages to using a firebox, even on established routes:
1. Less wood consumption, because the box heats your food more efficiently and the wood burns more efficiently because the heat is concentrated by the box.
2. Ability to move the box. This is a huge advantage because it is a rare site where it is convenient to set up a tarp over the existing fire pit. With the box I can just move the fire to the tarp if it starts to rain.

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2014, 12:18 pm 
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Hi Kinguq,

My experience is a bit different. I rarely find a site where it isn't fairly easy to set the tarp up either right next to or right over the firepit. That quite possibly comes back to the fact that I'm usually tripping in areas with established campsites and it would make sense that over the years the fireplaces have settled in spots where you can rig a tarp.

Similarly, if you take 15 minutes or so to build a decent fireplace, you'll get the same benefits of a confined firebox. But I think that part of the discussion was pretty thoroughly covered on the other thread.

Looking at the various fireboxes already posted, I don't see any that provide a grate on the bottom for airflow. I would have expected a bottom grate to be one of the benefits of using a firebox, similar to a twig stove, to improve the air flow.

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2014, 3:57 pm 
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There are several designed with airflow coming up from the bottom.
I know from experience that you do not need air coming up from the bottom to achieve a clean burn.
Improved airflow, in this case, just burns more wood.

How about during winter? Throw two stick down on the snow and put your firebox on top. Voilá, an efficient fire that doesn't sink.


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PostPosted: March 26th, 2014, 12:17 am 
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Splake
A few years ago I made one of these and I think I might still have the "prototype" in the basement somewhere and can take a look over the weekend if you want to give it a try. If I still have the original (and I am really not sure), it is pretty much just taking up space.
I should explain, the prototype had hard corners everywhere and very sharp, but nothing that could not be filed down. When I redid it, all I did was radius all the corners which also helped a bit with the assembly.
There are a couple of pics and a brief description of it in the link Smokey posted above, (or click here) scroll down a bit on page 1.
http://www.myccr.com/phpbbforum/viewtop ... 20&t=33433
I will warn you, it is not light but should last for many years.
I never thought of using these as an alternative to the fire pit and picked up a Vital Stove that does more what I wanted.

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PostPosted: April 3rd, 2014, 8:33 pm 
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So where's the dividing line between a firebox and a 'twig stove'? e.g. how big?

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PostPosted: April 4th, 2014, 9:37 am 
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The products I see that are generally marketed as "twig stoves" seem to be the equivalent of a one-burner gas stove. Various degrees of stability, some are just metal while some have a blower fan but all of them are designed to work with 1 pot at a time.

So for the purpose that I'm using the labels here, a "firebox" is bigger than a twig stove and can support at least 2 pots at a time.

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PostPosted: April 23rd, 2014, 7:29 am 
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So this is my mini Yukon in titanium,

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with a couple of Zebra billies, I think the kettle is about 15cm diameter, the pot is 12cm. If using bigger pots I will offset them slightly to make more room.

and this is a titanium Nomad

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which I most often carry for tea stops though have taken it along on solo trips as my only stove. I am happy with simple one pot meals when catering just for myself.

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PostPosted: April 26th, 2014, 10:05 am 
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Hi Splake,
The Black Spruce Gear firebox is sized for up to 6 people. This size/design has been extensively tested for 6 trippers on journeys on average of 25 days. Only 1 size available and only in stainless steel.

Also checkout Chris Randall's titanium models. These would have to be the lightest models available. Chris, where do you get your titanium? Can't seem to locate any reasonable supply here in the Ottawa Valley.

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